LaFleur
Joined: May 20, 2009
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Leipzig
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Posted on Apr 24 2014 02:41 PM
Hola Amigen,
the best solution is the staytrem bridge!
Its nearly perfect, stays in place and does keep the sound of your Jaguar/Jazzmaster.
I also had the mastery and had the same problems as Ralf.
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Apr 24 2014 03:29 PM
Staytrem sounds like a Mustang bridge, not a Jag/Jazz. Just a huge chunk of metal that the loses the sound vibration that gets into it.
Mastery doesn't sound different, but it plays different as the attack is way smoother. The Mastery does have the issues that the screws lower with playing although much improved. The smoother attack makes it seem different. Playing one back to back with a non-Mastery is really telling. On a non-Mastery you get a modulation of sorts with the tone with the Mastery it is just smooth.
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LaFleur
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Leipzig
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Posted on Apr 24 2014 03:48 PM
It doesn't loose any sound vibration at all. It has a lot more sustain compared to the normal bridge. So I don't get your point with the "huge chunk of metal"
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Apr 24 2014 03:58 PM
LaFleur wrote:
It doesn't loose any sound vibration at all. It has a lot more sustain compared to the normal bridge. So I don't get your point with the "huge chunk of metal"
The saddles have so much mass, and with the saddles sitting on directly on the bridge plate it functions like my most hated bridge(the Gretsch Bar bridge). While claiming to be sustain generating, the frequencies I prefer do not make it out of the bridge.
I really wanted to hate the Mastery due to price, and claims. I still really love the stock bridge. But I ended up liking the Mastery. And I really wanted to love the Staytrem, due to Marr-association, I absolutely did not like the two I've had(Jag and Jazz).
The Staytrem for the Bass VI is fantastic however. The increase mass of the strings really works with the saddle design.
Also, the Staytrem is really well designed and is rock solid in terms of how easy it is to set up. But I'd much rather have a bridge that takes preventative maintenance to get to function perfectly than one that didn't have any set up flaws.
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josheboy
Joined: Mar 13, 2009
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Twin Cities, MN
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Posted on Apr 24 2014 04:05 PM
I've only noticed greater vibration in the wood and a greater sustain from staytrem and mustang bridges. I cannot compare them to mastery because i've never used one, but in comparison to stock bridge, I find them amazingly superior.
Maybe Jake's bionic ears pick up something mine dont (its entirely possible), but I have zero issues with Staytrem tone or feel, and I definitely dont have any issues with staytrem usability.
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crumble
Joined: Sep 09, 2008
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Guildford England
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Posted on Apr 24 2014 04:15 PM
I think I agree with Jake, Mustang saddles have a larger surface area and more likely to dampen the plate. Listen to Dalibor's Jazzmaster, the bridge is resonating like hell in this video. Can you not hear it?
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Apr 24 2014 04:24 PM
I like how you put that "dampen the plate". Lower a Jag/Jazz saddles down all the way and you are going to be unhappy with the sound. Same thing with the Mustang saddles. Those height adjustment screws are an important aspect to the Fender sound. Strats, Teles, Jag/Jazz all have them.
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Jason
Joined: Aug 29, 2008
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Los Angeles, CA
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Posted on Apr 24 2014 06:01 PM
+1 on mastery bridges - Purple (low strength) loc-tite takes care of any screws moving.
I have staytrem collets/trem arms. They are awesome - 1 on one of my jags, and just ordered 2 more for the other jag and the jazzmaster. I have heard excellent things about the staytrem bridges as well. If they are anything like the staytrem arms/collets, then they are top notch!
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surferjoemusic
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Livorno
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Posted on Apr 24 2014 07:56 PM
after all this talking, i am even more +++ for staytrem no jake, all you say is wrong. the most important thing is that staytrem is like fender invented that bridge. it does the same but fix those little problems, from the stings jumping out of the saddles, to having a bit shorter bridge to better fit in the pickups, better material and great sustain. on my jazzmaster everything changed since i put it up.
you put the bridge up and the guitar plays by itself... it is simply amazing.
of course everybody has to try the bridges, but as a obviously personal opinion i cannot be convinced to change from staytrem.
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Apr 24 2014 08:30 PM
The Mastery does all you mention...
The saddles droppage is minimal compared to other saddles with adjustable saddles.
The Staytrem, does not have adjustable saddles, this is the big difference and this is where it differs from Strats/Teles/Jags/Jazzmasters. So you say that the Staytrem is better because it is like how Fender invented it, but the lack of saddle screws is the biggest departure. Mastery retains the same saddle screw style which is a trait shared in all of the classic Fender models we know and love. Staytrem having those gigantic saddles sit on the bridge plate creates a different attack from the strings.
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HallmarkSweptWinger
Joined: Jul 27, 2006
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Berlinesia, Germanifornia
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Posted on Apr 25 2014 03:55 AM
Emilien03 wrote:
Thanks for the advice, I know that .. You can only judge the sound when they are installed. btw, which bridge for offsets you like the most?
Staytrem bridges definitely.
One more thing is the live playing reliability of a guitar. When I play live I play with much more adrenalin. Therefore more power and uncontrollable action in my attack… Mastery bridges could not stand good live action for surf music. I remember I have borrowed Alex for a Twang Marvels gig my shoreline gold Jazzmaster and my burgundy mist Jaguar. Both at this time equipped with Mastery bridges. Alex has got a VERY strong attack while playing live! After 40 minutes the Jazzmaster was not playable at all… The fucking Mastery was nearly sunk to the body. Only a few tones came out off the guitar… So good luck that there was a backup guitar…
And I lost also a screw from the Mastery while playing! So FUCK OFF the expensive Mastery bullshit! Thank you.
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HallmarkSweptWinger
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Berlinesia, Germanifornia
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Posted on Apr 25 2014 03:58 AM
JakeDobner wrote:
The Staytrem, does not have adjustable saddles,
YES! The staytrem does NOT have adjustable saddles BECAUSE it has the CORRECT neck radius! You do not NEED adjustable saddles.
Staytrem: the most player friendly invention since Surf music!
And, Jake, sorry, but the Mastery IS giving a different tone to the whole guitar.
Therfore also many people do not like it.
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SanchoPansen
Joined: Jan 04, 2011
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Berlin L-Berg
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Posted on Apr 25 2014 04:36 AM
Yeah, but is it better than a real vintage tank? (sorry, couldn't resist)
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HallmarkSweptWinger
Joined: Jul 27, 2006
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Berlinesia, Germanifornia
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Posted on Apr 25 2014 05:54 AM
LaFleur wrote:
Hola Amigen,
the best solution is the staytrem bridge!
Its nearly perfect, stays in place and does keep the sound of your Jaguar/Jazzmaster.
I also had the mastery and had the same problems as Ralf.
A player is talking.
We all know that LaFleur has got many many live experiences.
And I know that he also has got a very hard attack!
Only staytrem will resist and work with your playing surf power LaFleur.
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HallmarkSweptWinger
Joined: Jul 27, 2006
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Berlinesia, Germanifornia
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Posted on Apr 25 2014 05:55 AM
SanchoPansen wrote:
Yeah, but is it better than a real vintage tank? (sorry, couldn't resist)
?
What?
What should be better than what? A Mastery better than a real vintage tank?
???
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ElBirkerio
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Vienna
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Posted on Apr 25 2014 06:41 AM
hi!
i do not see a real disadvantage of the staytrem over the more expensive mastery ...
i also like the staytrem trem arm ... big improvement over a real vintage tank!
yours
wolfi
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SanchoPansen
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Berlin L-Berg
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Posted on Apr 25 2014 06:56 AM
ElBirkerio wrote:
i also like the staytrem trem arm ... big improvement over a real vintage tank!
Cool, I might get one as well then
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togergo
Joined: Jan 23, 2012
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Budapest
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Posted on Apr 25 2014 09:20 AM
SanchoPansen wrote:
Yeah, but is it better than a real vintage tank? (sorry, couldn't resist)
with a Strato or a tele?? Sorry... Jag or jazz??? ;)
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Apr 25 2014 09:27 AM
HallmarkSweptWinger wrote:
One more thing is the live playing reliability of a guitar. When I play live I play with much more adrenalin. Therefore more power and uncontrollable action in my attack… Mastery bridges could not stand good live action for surf music.
Obviously, they don't work for anybody. Definitely not Nels Cline who plays the guitar more aggresively than most anybody.
PROPERLY SET UP/MAINTAINED GUITARS DON'T LOOSE SCREWS. That is, check to make sure the screws are situated tightly every now and then. If a screw on a bridge saddle is uneven with the other, it is going to come out.
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HallmarkSweptWinger
Joined: Jul 27, 2006
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Berlinesia, Germanifornia
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Posted on Apr 25 2014 09:33 AM
SanchoPansen wrote:
Yeah, but is it better than a real vintage tank? (sorry, couldn't resist)
Yes. For sure a staytrem is better than a real vintage tank.
…oh, those germans…
Guys. Yes. We are totally out off topic…
And it is the fault of the Mastery bridge again!
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