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Joined: Nov 28, 2011 Posts: 795 Prescott Valley, AZ |
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Joined: Jun 12, 2008 Posts: 3331 Huntington Beach, CA |
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Joined: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 1556 Israel |
Brian, I hope you'll find the links attached in this post useful, please check them. Some are examples (resize browser win to see effect), some are reading material. First I just want to say, this site works and looks great for desktops. Old fashioned, yes, same as we... Nothing needs be changed, I love it. For mobile viewing and posting however, it is lacking. Hard to be specific, it's just not comfortable enough, too much zooming and panning needed (even with my immense Galaxy Note2) to comfortably use buttons, and read, hard to post since the text box doesn't auto-fit the screen width, scrolling hard to handle in text box, forget about editing posts, sluggish and heavy feel overall, java stuff not working sometimes... The long long sidebar is just in the way. stuff like that. BTW, this is not a rant in any way (see how I carefully wrapped it between compliments. )... Brian, you designed this site beautifully and we thankfully salute you for your continuous efforts. But as you already hinted, times change, and the next step of this platform can begin to be conceptualized. There are already existing solutions in the marketplace, some open source, some not, to either port part of the site (mainly: forums) to a mobile version, or to build from scratch. I see no need for an app, it will complicate things. Many many advantages to having just one site, one platform, one flexible front end. I will gladly contribute money and my graphic skills for this project, others too, I'm pretty positive that we can collectively cover all costs of this overhaul, with change, this community is as tight as I've ever seen. Now for the content: The trend nowadays is "Responsive Design" 1 2 3. At least until the real Eye-Phone comes out... Last edited: Mar 21, 2013 18:23:37 |
Joined: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 1556 Israel |
BTW, I just noticed the fascinating and obvious difference between the pic I posted and the one above. Comics oftentimes have the most accurate observations. Last edited: Mar 21, 2013 18:32:43 |
Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19276 Des Moines, Iowa, USA |
Yes. I don't think an app is the way to go at the moment, especially given the resources we have. A site that can tailor its content to a mobile device would be best, I think. This is why I want to hire a professional front end person. —Site dude - S3 Agent #202 "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea |
Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19276 Des Moines, Iowa, USA |
Most of the pages do pass the validator by the way. It's only when I add these new fangled social media widgets and user supplied content (news stories) do things break a bit. However I am using XHTML which is out of style now. I did use the blueprints CSS grid and framework. But you are right, there are all these new frameworks now that are responsive and scale better. I don't know how to use those, and to be honest I'm not sure I want to. Hence outsourcing it. —Site dude - S3 Agent #202 "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea |
Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19276 Des Moines, Iowa, USA |
I am working on finding a new server host for SG101 and related assets. Once that is done, I'd be glad to work with a crew of interested SG101 folks on improving the SG101 design, especially with an eye towards mobile devices. PM or email me if interested. I'm probably looking at a few months before I could start this. If I don't get any interest I'll probably look for a professional designer, assuming I can afford it. —Site dude - S3 Agent #202 "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea |
Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19276 Des Moines, Iowa, USA |
I'm enjoying the links Ariel, thanks. —Site dude - S3 Agent #202 "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea |
Joined: Jan 23, 2012 Posts: 282 Budapest |
XHTML works on mobile, don't worry about it It can be liquid, or flexible, or anything. So, maybe you don't have to change the templates, in the first round - anyway, if you want to make a developer team from sg101 members, i'm on it (front-end, css(3)/html(5), javascript /native, or jQuery/, little PHP if needed, and some UX/graphic design experience, but it isn't part of my daily job) —original compositions (low-level demo stuff /out of tune, etc) myStuff not my best, but i don't like to be in a musician community without anything to show |
Joined: Jan 23, 2012 Posts: 282 Budapest |
20m CSS hacking on the main page —original compositions (low-level demo stuff /out of tune, etc) myStuff not my best, but i don't like to be in a musician community without anything to show |
Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19276 Des Moines, Iowa, USA |
Just an update. I'm looking into this as the next big project for SG101. I've been reading about "responsive design" as posted in the links by Ariel. Now that I have a tablet and smart phone I want SG101 to stay up to date. Again, if anyone with a background in web design wants to help, I will need it! —Site dude - S3 Agent #202 "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle |
Yes! Responsive design is the only way to go. I hope it kills the 'app' eco-system that has been a blight on web design/content/evolution. |
Joined: Jan 23, 2012 Posts: 282 Budapest |
Hi Brian, my Mar 22 2013 11:55 AM post is your site w responsive css original compositions (low-level demo stuff /out of tune, etc) myStuff not my best, but i don't like to be in a musician community without anything to show |
Joined: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 1556 Israel |
Anything you need, graphic-wise. Look for and make a note of any site that successfully implements responsive design elements to your liking. Take notice of the little things, as well as the overall content strategy. Plenty to learn and go through I know, I'm in the process of learning this myself... Menus should be condensed to less categories, and resize to icons at low res. Here are 2 mobile simulators: Last edited: Sep 29, 2013 08:15:29 |
Joined: Sep 02, 2006 Posts: 3166 Denver, CO |
Interesting stuff on responsive design. |
Joined: Aug 23, 2006 Posts: 2123 The jungle |
http://skeljs.org/ I am using this framework for two new site designs this month. Digging it the most. — |
Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19276 Des Moines, Iowa, USA |
Cool Trey. I'm probably going to start playing with Boostrap. I used an earlier version on another site before. —Site dude - S3 Agent #202 "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea |
Joined: Aug 23, 2006 Posts: 2123 The jungle |
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Joined: Jan 02, 2009 Posts: 1305 The original Plymouth, UK. |
Brian, life is too short for devloping a SG101 app. Go listen to music and revel in what you've achieved here, the site works really well. The question shouldn't be can we do it? Because 'we' probably can. The question should be - who wants it? I doubt I would bother using a SG101 app. I have an iPhone and i have an app for sat nav, an app to tune my guitar and an app for tides and an app for messaging and that's about all I've downloaded. I'm not techphobic, but I'm not keen on tech-for-the-sake-of-it! — |
Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19276 Des Moines, Iowa, USA |
da-ron, this thread started out as a question about a SG101 app, but if you read the whole thing you'll see I am not planning on writing an app. As you noted, no one wants to download an app to browse a website. What I am thinking about doing is tweaking the design of the current site to make it more responsive to the wide range of devices (desktops, tablets, & phones) that are available now. The site is surprisingly usable on phones or tablets, but it has a few rough edges I hope to smooth over. —Site dude - S3 Agent #202 "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea |