Yeah, I get it. Unfortunately, your list reads like a bullet list of points from the gear forum. Not your intent, I know, but it is kinda your result.

Me, I won't worry about gear until I can play decently anyway.

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Yeah, I get it. Unfortunately, your list reads like a bullet list of points from the gear forum. Not your intent, I know, but it is kinda your result.

Me, I won't worry about gear until I can play decently anyway.

Hahaha...well, the 'bullet list from the gear forum' was kind of the joke.

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Man.. sometimes I don't know what to make of the condescending insulting tone here?? It does seem that this attitude often shows up when somebody dares to express an opinion contrary to certain peoples idea of what Surf music is or should be. That said I understand the keyboard is not the best communication conduit.

I occasionally chime in with my stage experience hoping it might help somebody else with a purchase. More than once it's been met with frankly rude comments. No sweat though as I have pretty thick skin, but I could see where a newbie might run off and not look back. If you don't care or would rather only have "purists" frequent the forum then have at it I say.

I think KBK has the right idea though...may as well have a little fun with the nonsense.

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IvanP wrote:

I think a lot of people on here are more interested in playing - or at least trying to play - surf music rather than listening to surf music, especially new surf music. It's a bit dismaying sometimes.....

I'm not sure about that. I think people are more interested in discussing how and with what gear to play surf music than actual surf music albums, because there is simply more to discuss. There is so much you can say about the music you're listening to (recorded or live) and it's generally in terms of appreciation. Gear, on the other hand, is more of a technical subject, and as such it attracts a lot more questions, which doesn't mean people find it more interesting.

Also, I can't speak for others, but coming from a non-surf background, I would feel quite intimidated about discussing surf music with people who have extensive lore and experience about it. Therefore I only lurk in the other forums... I have been playing for 15 years though, so at least I can share some of my (not always enlightened) experience on the gear forum, for what it's worth.

Finally, the gear forum is a goldmine of information. There is much more to it than endless praise of tanks, blonde amps and vintage offset Fenders or Mosrites... I own none of the above and don't plan to in the near future, and I don't give a crap about what people think. Nonetheless the gear forum is the webpage I browse the most. Look at DeadRanchHands's tutorial on how to mod the Danelectro SpringKing, or the recent threads on how to set up the Jag/Jazz trem for instance. These alone are worth putting up with the peer pressure to buy a tank

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Las_Barracudas wrote:

Man.. sometimes I don't know what to make of the condescending insulting tone here?? It does seem that this attitude often shows up when somebody dares to express an opinion contrary to certain peoples idea of what Surf music is or should be. That said I understand the keyboard is not the best communication conduit.

I occasionally chime in with my stage experience hoping it might help somebody else with a purchase. More than once it's been met with frankly rude comments. No sweat though as I have pretty thick skin, but I could see where a newbie might run off and not look back. If you don't care or would rather only have "purists" frequent the forum then have at it I say.

I think KBK has the right idea though...may as well have a little fun with the nonsense.

In my experience this is the same on every forum on the Internet, especially when musicians are involved. Go to a Les Paul forum, say you have an Epiphone and watch the flamethrowers get cranked to "vaporize"...

I haven't been here for very long, but I've always thought the atmosphere was much more relaxed here than on many other forums. Must be all these guys in Hawaiian shirts with a drink in their hand Sure, there is the occasional bout of gear snobbery, but we can joke about it, can't we?

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IvanP wrote:

Las Barracudas, is that in response to what I said? I certainly didn't mean anything I wrote to be condenscending, I'm sorry if it came off that way.

No man... it's cool.

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I would genuinely like to know if someone is being rude or condescending to someone on this forum, even if you think it was me. I don't want that here.

I agree that the keyboard isn't the best way to communicate.

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But who said something like that in this thread? Did I miss something?

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Once again, just to clarify: when I wrote "I think a lot of people on here are more interested in playing - or at least trying to play - surf music...", what I meant by "trying to play" was nothing pejorative. I simply meant those who are learning guitar, or learning surf guitar in particular, maybe after being away from guitar for many years. I should have written "or at least learning to play". Again, I'm sorry if it was taken in a condenscending way, to mean those that try but no cigar or something nasty like that - that was not my intent.

If that's indeed how my comment was taken, it points to a very common internet problem of misinterpreting people's comments. I still think the best advice I've ever been given about having discussions on the internet is to give people the maximum benefit of the doubt and not to immediately assume they're insulting or attacking you. I seriously suspect that a lot of the cases where people feel defensive or intimidated are due to these sorts of miscommunications.

Also, regarding what Noah wrote:

For the most part I feel this is one of the most civil and friendly forums on the internet. However, it can be a bit intimidating to a new person.
In relation to this particular thread, one would assume that someone purchasing an FRV-1 Pedal might be someone new to the genre or someone on a very limited budget. Now, what would be the most welcoming? a. While they don't 100% recreate the nuances of a Tank, they are a very good investment for someone in your position and actually don't sound half bad. b. Digital sucks. Don't bother with that pedal as it isn't 100%and therefore pointless.....lol

This comment points to something. Yes, Noah, you're right, answer a is of course going to be much more encouraging and positive than answer b. BUT, how can you have a forum where you can keep even a single person from saying b? Can you make it a matter of policy? Could Brian have a rule somewhere that says "only encouraging comments will be tolerated, and any comment that is in any way possible to interpret as being discouraging will lead to immediate banishment"?

I guess I really don't understand exactly what people want or expect from this forum. How much sense does it make to say 'the forum can be intimidating to a new person'? Making sure that the forum is not intimidating, whatever that means, would require Brian or somebody else to control or closely police the actions of every single member on here. Obviously that's completely unrealistic.

I would hope that anybody coming on the forum would understand that each internet forum is a collection of a highly diverse group of people, some of whom may not get along, and who may hold very different views. Some will be welcoming and encouraging, and some will be dicks, and many will be somewhere in between. If anybody is a dick in a very obvious way, I'd say that Brian and the moderators have been unbelievably good at making sure that sort of behavior ceases immediately. But nobody can stop people from being people. So, is it enough for one or maybe a handful of less-than-fully encouraging comments to label or even dismiss the entire forum as intimidating? That doesn't seem right.

The same thing thing applies to Las Barracudas' comment:

I could see where a newbie might run off and not look back. If you don't care or would rather only have "purists" frequent the forum then have at it I say.

Las Barracudas, do you wish to see Brian deciding which comments are OK and which are not? Should everybody first submit their comments to him for his approval? If not, how then do we fix this "problem with SG101"?

I just see more people complaining about this or that on SG101 and painting with broad strokes. I would just like people to remember that SG101 is a collection of interacting people and not a single entity that can be described as 'intimidating' or 'condescending' or whatever. Some people will be cool, some will not. Avoid the ones that are not, give the other ones plenty benefit of the doubt, and inevitably you will enjoy yourselves!

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