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anyone out there add reverb on top of reverb?

for example, after tracking reverberated guitars, drums and perhaps a bass track...does anyone add additional reverb to the mix?

How much, and on what tracks do you find additional reverb helpful? Do you ever add global reverb?

Imagine a reverberated surf band playing in a naturally reverberant hall or venue....

Last edited: Jan 24, 2007 17:03:50

Not being much of one for a lot of recording techniques, I've always found that you have to keep the sound from a reverberated amp "dry" as it were, because otherwise it becomes a crazy ringing mess.

Next to that sweet guitar tone, perhaps the most important thing to reverberate is the snare drum. Most particularly, if there is a song which uses a stick layed across the drum and played on the rim, that will produce a SNAP like you have never heard.

One other trick is for bass, and I don't know that it's so much a "trick" as it is standard procedure... but you get a bigger, fuller sound by having two bass tracks - one through a DI, the other with the cabinet actually miced.

~B~

I add a little to the master track, but none or very little to the individual guitar and bass tracks. Most goes to the drum track like Bill mentioned. GarageBand has about 20 reverb presets for the master track like, "dark cave", "bright catherdral", "moon dome"...and I use them pretty conservatively. If I'm looking for special sound f/x on the guitar, I'll use an echo pedal with the reverb tank to get some sort of weird sound and get my sound before recording. If I try to figure it out in post-production, my ears/hearing turn to mush.

There's also a very cool, rather insane MatrixReverb plug-in that I use frequently to make non-music sound f/x. Sounds almost like surround sound. A multi-dimensional sound that can re-create the sound of a band playing a hall... Close or very distant.

Twisted Evil > Angel

Well......i'm a producer as well as a player and i tend not to record instruments with efx and that's because you may not like the effect, or level of effect, when you go to mix and by then it's too late......if you don't like the effect in the mix then you have to re-record that instrument. I recently did just that on my song "Blue Avalanche". I recorded the lead guitar with efx and when i went to mix....it was too much reverb. I knew better but i thought it was just enough efx and it would be cool, but it wasn't. I left it that way cause it's just a demo but i won't be doing that again. Just put your efx in as you mix and retain control of how much, and when and where.
Shoots, i'm going to the beach.
R-R Cool

The TakeOffs
"Kauai's Only All-Instrumental Surf Band"
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-TakeOffs/312866840587

Ron-Rhoades
Well......i'm a producer as well as a player and i tend not to record instruments with efx and that's because you may not like the effect, or level of effect, when you go to mix and by then it's too late......if you don't like the effect in the mix then you have to re-record that instrument. I recently did just that on my song "Blue Avalanche". I recorded the lead guitar with efx and when i went to mix....it was too much reverb. I knew better but i thought it was just enough efx and it would be cool, but it wasn't. I left it that way cause it's just a demo but i won't be doing that again. Just put your efx in as you mix and retain control of how much, and when and where.
Shoots, i'm going to the beach.
R-R Cool

Ron, I can see the benefits of what you're saying, but I have to respectfully disagree with you. In my opinion, the true "sound" of surf guitar comes as a combination of the guitar tone, put through reverb, put through an amp, and coming out through certain speakers. Granted, those amps, guitars, reverb tanks, and speakers are all personal preference, but everyone has their "sound". I would argue that by recording the guitar track dry and adding in the reverb, you are reverberating the amplified tone coming out of the amp, rather than the guitar tone. I guess what I'm saying is that you're "breaking the audio chain".

Granted, I'm one of those fellas who thinks you can't ever have too much reverb, but that is personal taste.

I say when you record, you get "your tone" and try to get the cleanest signal of that. There are tinkerings you can do in post, and many other effects that can be added, but I think when recording surf guitar, you need to have that original tone coming out of the amp to really capture YOUR sound.

Then again, what do I know - I'm a literature geek.

~B~

In the recording I do I usually run my guitar into the reverb, into the amp, and then mic that. I put that signal into Garageband where I add just a tad of the stereo reverb so it can splash through both channels. Typically I add an EQ setting such as 'Add Attack' to restore some of the power that tends to get lost when mic'ing.

I've experimented with splitting the guitar signal and recording to two tracks at once. One track is the reverbed and amped sound, the second track is just direct guitar. If the first track works out, great. If not, you can send the second "backup" track back out through your reverb and amp and try again with different settings.

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^ nice response! "reverb on reverb"....cool!

King of the mountain? ed

Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?

Bill.......you're right. If a guitar player comes to me and says "this is my sound......" then of course i would record it any way you want. I don't record many surf bands or surf guitar players and my previous comment was a generalization. The most important thing i can do as a producer is get the sound you hear in your head on tape (ummm, i don't use "tape" anymore!!) but you know what i mean. Thank you......you've taught me something important about recording "surf" music. Now, who wants to be my first victim!! Very Happy
Shoots, I'm going to Costco and get a hot dog.
R-R Cool

The TakeOffs
"Kauai's Only All-Instrumental Surf Band"
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-TakeOffs/312866840587

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