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Permalink SG101 Archive: Jim Messina and His Jesters

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From time to time, I comb through the masses of history on SG101 (since there is SOOO much of it from way before I showed up!) Occasionally I come across posts or articles from yesteryear that I can't resist resurrecting.

Today's gem - a write up Ivan did on Jim Messina and His Jesters. Bonus, the comment!

Original News Post here:
http://surfguitar101.com/news/story/63/

For your easy reading pleasure, I give you copy/paste...

Enjoy!
(I sure did!)

Jim Messina and His Jesters: "Dragsters"
Submitted by IvanP on May 05, 2006
(Originally posted on Surf Guitar 101, June 25, 2004)

The original Jesters LP was released sometime in '64 and was credited to "Jim Messina and his Jesters" (notice the copy of "Dick Dale and HIS Del-tones") and it was called The Dragsters. This is the LP that was reissued on CD on the semi-legit Euro label Surf in the '90s. It's great stuff, 14 songs, 11 of them written my Messina. The covers are: an uptempo version of the Breeze and I, and surf-guitar-led versions of fifties instro hits Honky Tonk and Raunchy. Messina's guitar work is truly exceptional, sounding like DD's flashier doppleganger, with a lot of nimble fingerwork full of fast hammer-ons and pull-offs, and not as much double-picking as you may expect. (I only recently started noticing how Dick-Dale-ish Messina's playing was. Listen to "The Thing" - it's a total rip-off of DD's "Surfing Drums" - which of course was a Bo Diddley rip-off itself! - and the licks he's playing are completely DD. Messina also uses the pickup position #4 (neck and middle pickups) a LOT, which is also something that DD pioneered in surf music.) I HIGHLY recommend this CD. The highlights for me are "The Jester", which is as good as any surf song I think, "The Cossack", "High Voltage" (an apt title!), and "Yang Bu". If there is one criticism I would have of the material is that it's a bit light on melody, instead relying on groove, energy and improvisation. But it works most of the time. There's a really nice jazz and even blues influence throughout, especially evident on "Suspense Run" and "Hollywood Sound" (both very jazzy in rhythm and featuring some tasty surf-blues guitar playing, with the latter obviously influenced by Mel Torme's "I'm Comin' Home Baby"). And as Messina mentioned in his interview, almost every song has a bunch of engine revving and tires skidding noises overdubbed. A lot of songs also have the noises of the band shouting along with the music, as if they're really into it. I suspect these were overdubbed later, along with the car-related noises.

So far, so good. But here's where it gets interesting. This album was rereleased in '73, when NOBODY had any interest in surf music! Why? Probably cause Messina was becoming a well-known name, and somebody wanted to capitalize on it. Did Messina have any involvement? Who knows? I have this LP, and the packaging looks like it was from the sixties, with nothing giving it away as a seventies record or a reissue. The liner notes all speak in the present tense, and the photos are all from '64, though at least the front cover is different than the original one. Big deal, you say. Well, OK, yes, if that's all it was, who cares. But then let's take a look at the track listing: only twelve songs this time ("Strange Man" and "Suspense Run" were omitted). Again, big deal. But wait! Here's where it gets interesting! Take a listen, side by side with the original tracks, and you come to the shocking conclusion that these are DIFFERENT versions of the tracks! The only song that appears to be the same version on both albums is "Hollywood Sound". The others vary from very subtle differences ("Chihiuahua", for example - that one required very careful listening to tell they're different) to completely different arrangements ("The Breeze and I"). And "Tamale Wagon" is a completely different song on the '73 album! Most of the other songs are different in more subtle ways, different tempos (with the original album tending to feature faster versions), different licks, chord progression going up at some point rather than down, different endings. And there are no shouting or racing noises. So what the hell is going on here? Nobody seems to know.

I've discussed this with John Blair a few years ago and he never noticed the different versions of the songs - he thought it was just a straight-forward reissue with a different cover, and two songs left out (and of course with all the noises left out). But for any of you that care and have both releases, compare them back to back. They're clearly different, sometimes very obviously so. John suggested that maybe Messina rerecorded the tracks in the seventies. I really doubt that. I suspect that Messina couldn't give a crap about surf music by '73, and anyway, the sound quality and the recording is very authentic: it SOUNDS like a cheap early- to mid-sixties recording, for better or worse. I can't imagine they would have struggled to get such an authentic sound in '73. They probably would have wanted to "improve" it! So, I'm pretty much 100% sure that's not it.

My conclusion is that whoever rereleased the album got a hold of a bunch of master tapes which were not marked very clearly. These master tapes probably spanned several months or more of recording dates, thus featuring evolving arrangements of the songs. And the tapes had a whole bunch of different takes of the same songs. Rather than going back to the earlier album and trying to recreate it perfectly, they probably just tried to listen for the best performances and released those only. This is my best explanation of what happened.

God, it would be really nice if somebody took the effort to find those master tapes, and release all of the different songs, plus their alternative '73 versions, in a cleaned-up sound, cause it doesn't really sound very good. It took a while but it happened for Eddie & the Showman, maybe one day it'll happen for the Jesters, too. They DEFINITELY deserve it! This is among the best of sixties surf music.

(BTW, looking at the front cover of the album, where I could see Messina's white Strat in a great deal of detail, you can see that Messina left off the volume and tone knobs on his Strat - again, just like DD!! Man, this kid had a BAD case of hero-worship! Good for us, though, he created some awesome music as a result.)

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The Jesters and two bands that I performed with, The Majestics with Mike Mays and The Showmen (Sho Men) with Jimmy Villa battled against one another on many occasions in the Inland Empire during the surf era of the early sixties.

When I left the Inland Empire because Uncle Sam wanted to send me to Viet Nam in 1966, (Drafted) I recall Messina took off for Hollywood around the same time.

Unlike me, Jim never returned to the surf genre, so, the two albums which are the subject matter of the Surf 101 article, albeit clearly different, were cuts made at the same time, not later as opined by the author. This fact I know for sure!!!

Jim was one of the few IE musicians that decided not to use SAM Records as a publisher, thus rather than recording at the William Locy Sound Studio in Riverside as several IE bands did, he went out of the IE.
Since Jim's records remain available and mine are no longer available, The Majestics, The Sho Men, (Showmen) without doubt, the powers that be that steered Jim away from WLS made the wiser decision.

During the third wave of surf music that occurred after the release of the movie Pulp Fiction, I decided to pull my 62 Showman, Strat and reverb out of my folks garage and start playing again.

The boyz that I played with in high school were long gone, some dead, so because I thought my old band The Majestics did not sound surf, I decided to play under the second bands name, The Showmen.

The lady at SAM Records mispelled the bands name when we recorded there, spelling it Sho Men rather than Showmen.

I dispised the first spelling, and it also confused BMI to the point we could not get our record published.

But, that is another story.

I had forgotten about all this stuff until I recently read an article by John Blair wherein he mentioned The Majestics and The Sho Men in a book he wrote in 1978.

My contact with Blair led me to again pull out my gear and play this weekend with a local Riverside surf band.

At sixty-four, I wonder if I can still rock????

Joey | 22-Aug-2009 16:03:10 |

Fady

El Mirage @ ReverbNation

More, please!

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Ah yes I used this for a little learnin' on some JM & the Jesters.

The Deadbeats

It's a damn shame there isn't a legit - let alone available - reissue of ANY of the Jesters stuff. I'd love to see all three versions of the album get the Sundazed treatment.

That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it.

CaptainSpringfield wrote:

It's a damn shame there isn't a legit - let alone
available - reissue of ANY of the Jesters stuff. I'd
love to see all three versions of the album get the
Sundazed treatment.

Oh Man, that would be awesome,
a 2 cd set.
with liner notes, and pics.
you know they would sell a good amount,
being what he became.

Time to cash in Like Dick Dale did,
but alas, he probably doesn't have the masters,
and we know he got took on the rights/money back in the day,
and he doesn't really need the Money like I assume DD did.

Jeff(bigtikidude)

Agreed, it would be an awesome release. I had to mooch to get those albums, haha. Great stuff from a band that I feel doesn't get much attention. Jesters rule!

The Deadbeats

I'm as much a "physical copy" guy as just about anyone... but someone in the know wanna hazard a guess at what version is currently on iTunes (iTunes Preview on the web)? It has 15 tracks including Strange Man and Suspense Run.

Fady

El Mirage @ ReverbNation

That one is great but the self titled Jesters album is way better and sounds F-ing sick! Better performance, sounds and energy. Plus it doesn't have all of those car noises, haha.

The Deadbeats

Speaking of physical copies, here's the Audio Fidelity version of the s/t LP for $14: http://www.musicstack.com/item/57676498

And here's a sealed copy of the (bootleg) Dragsters reissue LP for $24: http://www.musicstack.com/item/89653689

That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it.

What's the difference of the Audio Fidelity version?

The Deadbeats

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The Dragsters - 15 songs - The Breeze and I, Raunchy, No Name Dragster, Strange Man, High Voltage, Yang Bu, The Thing, The Jester, Suspense Run, The Cossack, Masatlan Rally, Honky Tonk, Chihiuahua [Chihuahua], Tamale Wagon #2, Hollywood Sound

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s/t (Audio Fidelity) - 10 songs - The Jester, Hollywood Sound, Masatlan Rally, High Voltage, Yang Bu, Honky Tonk, Strange Man, The Cossack, Tamale Wagon #1, The Thing

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s/t (Thimble) - 12 songs - Honky Tonk, Raunchy, The Breeze and I, High Voltage, Yang Bu, Chihuahua, The Jester, Hollywood Sound, Masatlan Rally, No Name Dragster, The Cossack, Tamale Wagon #1

That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it.

CaptainSpringfield wrote:

Speaking of physical copies, here's the Audio Fidelity
version of the s/t LP for $14:
http://www.musicstack.com/item/57676498

Including shipping to the USA it's less than $20 - come on, people. Don't blow this.

(edit: Not my copy for sale)

That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it.

Last edited: Jul 12, 2011 14:08:24

CaptainSpringfield wrote:

CaptainSpringfield wrote:

Speaking of physical copies, here's the Audio
Fidelity
version of the s/t LP for $14:
http://www.musicstack.com/item/57676498

Including shipping to the USA it's less than $20 - come
on, people. Don't blow this.

(edit: Not my copy for sale)

Snagged it! Thanks for the heads up Warren!

Ryan
The Secret Samurai Website
The Secret Samurai on Facebook

Update to Onslow Beach's Post:

Last summer I had the occasion to cross paths with Connie Leivas whose spouse worked at "SAM" Studios in Riverside, CA. she provided me with two (2) masters dated 5/12/65 that my Showmen recorded at the Locy Recording Studio located across the street from ROHR.

One cut was a akin to the Bo Diddly riff Dick Dale used for Surfing Drum the second, an instrumental, was probably a rip-off from some big band recording my folks probably had in their stereo.

One never knows what turns up on this site.

Joey G

Amazon has new copies of The Dragsters cd for $16. This might be old news around these parts but I thought I'd post just in case it's not. This is a fantastic album and I think anyone who doesn't already have a copy should buy it.

I saw this photo, for the first time, on Facebook (sigh...)

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"It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea

H-m-m-m-m....that photo of Messina & The Jesters taken at Liers' Music in San Bernardino was lifted from "The Illustrated Discography of Surf Music." Just so you know...

John

www.johnblair.us
www.soundofthesurf.com

Indeed! I just looked it up.

Well now I know someone from Spain who scans photos from books and posts them to the Internet without attribution. Cry

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Brian wrote:

Indeed! I just looked it up.

Well now I know someone from Spain who scans photos from books and posts them to the Internet without attribution. Cry

Ouch! It looks like a low quality snap shot with much lens barrel roll. It might be a bit tall to accuse the fellow as book scanning!

CaptainSpringfield wrote:

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The Dragsters - 15 songs - The Breeze and I, Raunchy, No Name Dragster, Strange Man, High Voltage, Yang Bu, The Thing, The Jester, Suspense Run, The Cossack, Masatlan Rally, Honky Tonk, Chihiuahua [Chihuahua], Tamale Wagon #2, Hollywood Sound

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s/t (Audio Fidelity) - 10 songs - The Jester, Hollywood Sound, Masatlan Rally, High Voltage, Yang Bu, Honky Tonk, Strange Man, The Cossack, Tamale Wagon #1, The Thing

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s/t (Thimble) - 12 songs - Honky Tonk, Raunchy, The Breeze and I, High Voltage, Yang Bu, Chihuahua, The Jester, Hollywood Sound, Masatlan Rally, No Name Dragster, The Cossack, Tamale Wagon #1

Bringing up an old thread here but I wanted to confirm something...

I know the original "Dragsters" release has all the car noises and stuff and the 1973 release on Thimble has different takes without noises... so are the versions on the 1982 Audio Fidelity release the same versions as the Thimble one?

The Del-Vipers

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