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I suppose in 1963 as now there were at least two critical factors in what makes a surf band possible: motivation and economics. Clearly things like the evolution of suitable musical gear and suitable musical forms are also important, and people have thought about that a lot. You need some talented musicians, too, but if the conditions are right those appear.

Motivation:

1) Clearly the band members have to love the sound and find it exciting to hear and produce.

2) They have to enjoy working with other musicians on a pretty labor intensive team project. This probably explains to some extent the strong male bias in the musical population, as young males seem to be more prone to collective activities of this sort (bands and other sorts of raiding parties) than young women.

3) They have to enjoy the attention or other rewards they get from playing it, and I suspect, given that the bands were mostly male, the attention they especially enjoyed was the attention of female audience members. So, although the attention of peers in general would have been a signficant factor, a major morivation was probably meeting girls. At this point we reach economics, because meeting members of the opposite sex is usually sufficient motivation to engage in financially and personally risky activities at any age. Generally a teenage boy who has met a girl or two does not consider the evening wasted even if he didn't make any money in the process. If he did get paid to spend his time doing this, so much the better, of course.

Venues:

In connection with item 3 here, it's clearly important that there be arenas where the music can be performed. Books on surf music point out the particular importance of two kinds of venues:

a) School dances and talent shows.

b) Teen clubs, in a number of cases developed by the bands themselves with the financial assistance of their families.

There are also fairly frequent reports of venues like

c) county fairs

d) halls operated by adult associations (VFW halls, church halls, teen activity clubs, etc.)

e) small venues like icecream stores, music stores, pizza parlors, etc.

Also mentioned, mostly later on:

f) entertainments organized for servicemen (also good ways to meet girls),

g) existing entertainment organizations (Disneyland, etc.), and

h) specially organized "battles of bands."

Not significant: bars and other places where liquor was sold. Hotels?

Money, expenditures:

No matter how much you enjoy something, if you can't afford to do it, you aren't going to be doing very much of it.

1) Gear: It appears to me that most of the initial musicians had fairly cheap mass market gear presented to them as gifts by parents (Sears Silvertones, etc.). I'm not sure what prices for gear of this sort were, typically. But with gear of this sort the major investment by the musicians was time, because it was usually received as a gift.

This sort of gear was usually rapidly replaced with better gear, self-purchased, or sponsored by associated adults, mostly parents. In most cases this gear was purchased on time and financed by playing gigs for pay. I've seen some references to the scale of weekly/monthly payments, and I imagine it would be possible to find out what the overall prices of various instruments would have been, too.

There are some references to time purchases being passed to other individuals or repossessed when the musical career ended.

In some particular cases better gear and replacements were funded by Fender (motivated by r&d needs and advertising potential) or by a commercial recording outfit. But you had to be a major personality for the first or have a contract for the second.

2) Not musical gear, but since bands in this period typically performed in something like a uniform outfit, usually a suit of some sort, it was sometimes an important factor to find a clothing store willing to provide these outfits in return for advertising and gigs played outside the store. (This is mentioned with the Original Surfaris.)

Money, income:

The major source of income was probably fees for live appearances. I believe that payments for appearances at school dances and at most of the commercial venues mentioned above were usually considered quite satisfactory by the musicians in question, and were usually more than sufficiently large and regular enough to support purchasing instruments on time, uniforms, transportation costs (cars, gasoline), and incidentals like travel food and dating. However, most of the musicians were actually being supported day to day (food, shelter, clothing, etc.) by their parents and parents may sometimes have subsidized transportation costs heavily, too, since some of the bands remember being driven about by their parents.

There are a numerous reports of how much was received for particular shows, though I don't have any of those handy right now, and I don't know what was typical. The amounts reported are usually small by present standards, but adequate to large by the standards of teenagers at the time.

However, these amounts were not actually sufficient to support the musician in most cases. As the young surf musicians got older, needing to make enough money to support themselves or a family, as opposed to band and personal entertainment activities only, was often a critical factor in causing a musician to leave music entirely. Those who remained musicians usually lived at something like the poverty level as itinerant musicians or worked as musicians only part time. They played whatever was currently fashionable, and they usually played in drinking establishments or dance halls catering to people of drinking age, having reached the age where they could legally play in such establishments.

3) I don't think most bands made anything at all from recording. In fact, they or their parents usually subsidized that, and in many cases they lost rights to their performances to individuals higher up the musical feeding chain. In fact, recordings were more useful as prestige items and advertising - 45s to hand out or sell and occasional airplay - than as a source of income. Nevertheless, the illusion that these could be a source of income persisted and persists, based mainly on a few unusual cases where bands got recording contracts and achieved mass market sales.

4) Bands picked up by larger organizations sometimes made more money this way, but with smaller organizations they generally received fairly small one-time "in lieu of" payments instead of royalties and even where songs have become and remained popular royalties have not been paid. The perception is that they were simply misappropriated, or at best that the persons to whom they were owed were lost track of, but I suspect in most cases the legal right to them had been also been ceded, perhaps without the musicians being quite aware of it.

5) Individuals who were able to retain or regain rights to their compositions have sometimes made some regular (but probably not usually large) amounts of money through fees for subsequent reproductions or recordings of their work. This probably had little bearing on "band economies" at the time.

Last edited: Oct 22, 2010 16:03:18

You forgot the most important economic factors. No singer/frontman and no need for a PA!

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Unless you include the bands that played vocals, Ted. Hee Hee. Very Happy By the way, this is a very cool post.

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EXCELLENT thread Tuck!
I was "there" in '63, and you've hit most of the elements. One you missed was the presence of a higher percentage of instrumental music on the radio then as compared to now. Not just Surf, but Booker T., The Ventures, The Marketts, etc. My first two bands were not "Surf" per se-two of us were surfers who played in a band. About half of our set lists were instrumental and about 50% of the instrumentals were Surf. Except for "Pipeline", "Wipe Out", and "Baja", Most of our Surf songs were learned from Ventures albums. I played the Surfaris version of "Miserlou"-didn't even hear DD's version until I moved to CA in '76.
Another contributing factor-a LOT less competiton. In Charleston, we only competed with a couple of bands our age, and there were lots of venues, which you did a good job of covering. My first gig payed $25.00 ($5.00 ea.), but that was a LOT of money. When we started playing more "adult" venues, we made $50-$100-again, GOOD money for the time. We had nice gear, and except for one guy, we paid for it ourselves. In my case, my parents paid for it and I paid them back-with interest. The attention of girls was definitely a motivating factor, and I think was also largely reponsible for the increase in vocals-I KNOW it was in our case. Remember Robbie Robertson's line in "The Last Waltz"? Quoting Ronnie Hawkins, he said, "You won't make much money, but you'll get more * than Frank Sinatra"!

Good viewpoints !
Also, good singing voices were rare, or at least undeveloped, so fledgling bands tended to do instros.
I recall my buddies and I trying tunes from Hard Day's Night but getting so-so results.
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GuitarBob
Good viewpoints !
Also, good singing voices were rare, or at least undeveloped, so fledgling bands tended to do instros.
I recall my buddies and I trying tunes from Hard Day's Night but getting so-so results.
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Good point Bob. I remember trying to synchronize (_simonize _ Laughing ) my singing and playing on "Louie, Louie"! I FINALLY got it!
The first vocal I performed in public was "Runaway" by Del Shannon.

hey tuck!---good thread man!

i was back there then and i do not remember it being so complicated!!! guys played guitars and got girls! simple! i married one of those "girls" in 1972 and we're still married!! it was so simple!!

Enjoying the surf,sun and sand!!

I thought it would be interesting to compare the "practical economy" of early bands with the more usual discussion (on SG101 and elsewhere) of the practical economy of current bands, which are mostly made up of older men and women playing part time in very different personal circumstances from those of a male teenager in the early 60s.

As in all economic discussions, motive is significant factor. We usually assume survival, profit, etc., but in subsidized sub-systems, and I think surf music has almost always been that, non-financial rewards may explain a great deal, though clearly the overall situation of the participants has to make economic sense, and the activity itself would ideally be self-supporting.

Putting it another way, institutions and people often do things that incur financial losses because they are sources of prestige or pleasure. Institutions build sports arenas and opera halls. Individuals indulge in vacations or join surf bands, etc. There is usually a certain amount of uncertainty, guilt, and disbelief associated with the loss aspects. And often there is a degree of denial regarding the nature of the gains, too.

On the whole I think surf bands are preferable to some of the historical young male alternatives, like going a-viking, slave or horse stealing raids, joining gangs, etc.

I have to point out that there weren't many differences between your thorough analysis and being in a high school rock band in the 80s...

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I am hoping to start a band & play high school dances.

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I am hoping to start a band & play high school dances.

How much do I have to pay you to join??????????????????

elreydlp
Remember Robbie Robertson's line in "The Last Waltz"? Quoting Ronnie Hawkins, he said, "You won't make much money, but you'll get more * than Frank Sinatra"!

Nobody got more * than Frank Sinatra! Not even Jilly!

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elreydlp
I was "there" in '63, and you've hit most of the elements.

Except for "Pipeline", "Wipe Out", and "Baja", Most of our Surf songs were learned from Ventures albums. I played the Surfaris version of "Miserlou"-didn't even hear DD's version until I moved to CA in '76.

This is my favorite part. Please take note, surf purists.

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http://www.sandiegojoe.com/rfb.htm

elreydlp
EXCELLENT thread Tuck!
I was "there" in '63, and you've hit most of the elements. One you missed was the presence of a higher percentage of instrumental music on the radio then as compared to now. Not just Surf, but Booker T., The Ventures, The Marketts, etc. My first two bands were not "Surf" per se-two of us were surfers who played in a band. About half of our set lists were instrumental and about 50% of the instrumentals were Surf. Except for "Pipeline", "Wipe Out", and "Baja", Most of our Surf songs were learned from Ventures albums. I played the Surfaris version of "Miserlou"-didn't even hear DD's version until I moved to CA in '76.
Another contributing factor-a LOT less competiton. In Charleston, we only competed with a couple of bands our age, and there were lots of venues, which you did a good job of covering. My first gig payed $25.00 ($5.00 ea.), but that was a LOT of money. When we started playing more "adult" venues, we made $50-$100-again, GOOD money for the time. We had nice gear, and except for one guy, we paid for it ourselves. In my case, my parents paid for it and I paid them back-with interest. The attention of girls was definitely a motivating factor, and I think was also largely reponsible for the increase in vocals-I KNOW it was in our case. Remember Robbie Robertson's line in "The Last Waltz"? Quoting Ronnie Hawkins, he said, "You won't make much money, but you'll get more * than Frank Sinatra"!

Man, very cool story. Thanks for sharing this. This thread inspired me to dig up this photo...

Here's Teenage wonders, The New Dimensions packin' the house at a Teen Stomp. The oldest guy in this band was 16! Lead Guitarist Michael Lloyd was 14! And if you've heard their stuff you know they rule. Wonder how much they got per gig?

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Wow Norm-I love that picture! Look at that backline!
The Surfboards in the background brought back memories. One of the Teen Clubs we played (Daniel's Den) was held in a place called Alhambra Hall. It had a great, elevated stage and Bill Johnson and I would bring our surfboards and cross them behind the drummer.
The band was "The Skylarks" and this was our gear.

Skip: '62 SB Strat (it was a demo-$190.00 including case) '64 Deluxe Reverb (the first sold in SC-$240.00).
Bill Johnson: '63 SB Jag, '62 Brown Vibrolux, '62 Brown Reverb tank
Ricky McDermott: '64 SB Jazz Bass, '64 BF Bassman
Donnie Beckham: Red-sparkle 4-pc Ludwig kit.

Bill and I later upgraded to Bandmasters-mine a blonde '63, his a BF '65.

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elreydlp
Remember Robbie Robertson's line in "The Last Waltz"? Quoting Ronnie Hawkins, he said, "You won't make much money, but you'll get more * than Frank Sinatra"!

Nobody got more * than Frank Sinatra! Not even Jilly!

I'll bet we got more when we were 14 than he did when he was 14!

the early 1960's, ah,,, high school surf bands. As I recall were just guitar bands. Some had a singer, but most didn't even though they had someone who tried to sing. hahaha! Ours was made up of members from the high school marching band. We had a sax player too! Sometimes a trumpet ( for Tijuana brass songs)
I recall working in a grocery store to earn enough money to buy the guitar I wanted. Made something like $1.15 cents an hour. Ended up going to a swap meet at a drive in theater on a Sunday morning, and buying a 12 string solid body electric guitar. I think we climbed the fence to get in without paying the $0.50 to get in. What I really wanted was a sunburst colored Fender Stratocaster but I just couldn't get enough money for one back then.
We didn't think of ourselves as a surf band. We were just trying to play songs that the big groups played. Hoping to find a sweet thing among the crowd to hold hands with and maybe get a kiss from them. Maybe brush against a booby every now and again.
I don't ever remember economics coming in to play. Other than what we needed to do to get a guitar and amp. Well economics of the money for sodas and burgers were sometimes pretty important. Throwing newspapers helped some. But heck just a walk around the park and a few kisses behind a tree was pretty great back then. Or a walk along the beach and a hug by the bon-fire was pretty great back then too.
I don't think any of us thought of becoming really famous. We didn't either.

Funny how this is still mostly all I need!
...a gig, a few bucks, a booby brush, etc.

Tuck's post is helpful for understanding surf music today as well. There was a lot of work in it. Thanks, Tuck.

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