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It Came From The Beach: Surf, Drag & Rockin' Instros From Downey Records

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mom_surfing Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 5266 the outer banks of north carolina	Posted on Aug 26 2008 08:46 PM CaptainSpringfield Ruhar Our old drummer, MisterE loved the Pixies version As do I - I heard theirs before I got into surf music and always dug it. In fact, the main reason I bought "Surf Legends and Rumors" was because I wanted to hear the original. -Warren me too.....loved the pixies version and bought 'surf legends and rumors' because i also wanted to hear the original. — www.surfintheeye.com Top
Klas Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 2270 Stockholm, Sweden	Posted on Aug 27 2008 04:21 AM Although it was news to me that it actually is a modern recording, I always thought it sounded like a potential modern one (especially the drums) due to what I believed was the lack of original mastertapes (a great deal of the 60's sound secrets lies in the mastering techniques of the time). Or maybe I just got affected by the 80's looking cover art, haha. — T H E ✠ S U R F I T E S Top
spskins Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 3731 tn	Posted on Aug 27 2008 09:08 AM I agree that the drums were a tip-off. There was always something about that song that stuck out. Maybe that's why so many bands wanted to cover it. — http://www.satanspilgrims.com http://www.facebook.com/pages/Satans-Pilgrims/8210228553 https://satanspilgrims.bandcamp.com/ http://www.surfyindustries.com Top
CaptainSpringfield Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 4387 Under the Sun	Posted on Aug 27 2008 02:24 PM You sure it's the drums and not that Hendrix whammy dive in the bridge? -Warren — That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it. Top
IvanP Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 10320 southern Michigan	Posted on Aug 27 2008 02:30 PM This was news to me, too. I'm surprised they were able to keep this secret for such a long time, twenty years. It did seem weird that there would be absolutely no information about this band. (I always thought the track was highly overrated, it never did much for me. I found it surprising that so many bands would cover it, but I guess I just didn't get 'it'...) Ivan — Ivan Lords of Atlantis on Facebook The Madeira Official Website The Madeira on Facebook The Blair-Pongracic Band on Facebook The Space Cossacks on Facebook The Madeira Channel on YouTube Top
Ruhar Joined: Jun 21, 2007 Posts: 3909 San Diego, CA	Posted on Aug 27 2008 04:10 PM I've just been listening to the Surf Legends (And Rumours) because of this thread. I listened closely to Cecilia Ann, and to me, the bass is the dead giveaway that it is a modern recording. Funny. — Ryan The Secret Samurai Website The Secret Samurai on Facebook Top
Klas Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 2270 Stockholm, Sweden	Posted on Aug 28 2008 04:35 AM I have yet to order the new Ace comp but it will definitely be interesting to see what they have to say about the song in the "exhaustive sleeve notes". — T H E ✠ S U R F I T E S Top
reverbcentral Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 19 Felton, CA	Posted on Aug 28 2008 11:28 AM Steve Hoffman and Charles "Frosty" Horton recorded it around 1989 to open the "Surf Legends And Rumors" comp. They just wanted to do one in the old style. Steve said he mimicked the mix and mastering to match "Inertia" by The Hustlers, right down to the stereo placement, which is why it sounds like it was cut in the same room at the same time. When people talk about the mix and center channel, they most oftenh don't realize that these recordings were made on 2-tracks for mixing to mono. There isn't third channel infoprmation to place in the center. Ampex introduced a stock model of its 1/2" 3-track machine in 1960, and the 4-track in 1964. Unless recording in a large studio, 2-track was the weapon of choice. — Phil Dirt<br><a href="klzzwxh:0000">Reverb Central</a> Top
reverbcentral Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 19 Felton, CA	Posted on Aug 28 2008 11:39 AM Downey Jr. made lots of claims about being at sessions, owning tracks, writing songs, or producing, all of which have been discredited. It's called Downey records because it was in Downey, California. It was located in tha back of Wenzels Music Town sat at 13117 Lakewood Blvd. Tom and Maxine Wenzel ran the store, Bill and Jack Wenzel ran the Downey studio and label. — Phil Dirt<br><a href="klzzwxh:0000">Reverb Central</a> Top
stratofuzz Joined: Nov 24, 2006 Posts: 24	Posted on Aug 28 2008 12:33 PM CaptainSpringfield I don't think Morton Downey had anything at all to do with "Wipeout" - the story I've seen a bunch of places is that when they went to record "Surfer Joe," they had some time left over and the producer (Paul Buff?) told them they should probably record a B-side. Ron Wilson took a drum cadence from his high school marching band and they came up with the rest on the spot. -Warren True-I heard it from Ron Wilson's mouth at a gig we did with him in Emeryville CA. (Also of note; Tiesco Del Rey filled in for Frank Novicki that night) Top
surfneptune Joined: Mar 16, 2006 Posts: 923	Posted on Aug 28 2008 12:33 PM THe building today image — THe NEpTuNeS Top
mom_surfing Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 5266 the outer banks of north carolina	Posted on Aug 28 2008 12:43 PM reverbcentral Steve Hoffman and Charles "Frosty" Horton recorded it around 1989 to open the "Surf Legends And Rumors" comp. They just wanted to do one in the old style. Steve said he mimicked the mix and mastering to match "Inertia" by The Hustlers, right down to the stereo placement, which is why it sounds like it was cut in the same room at the same time. When people talk about the mix and center channel, they most oftenh don't realize that these recordings were made on 2-tracks for mixing to mono. There isn't third channel infoprmation to place in the center. Ampex introduced a stock model of its 1/2" 3-track machine in 1960, and the 4-track in 1964. Unless recording in a large studio, 2-track was the weapon of choice. who officially wrote 'cecelia ann' ? — www.surfintheeye.com Top
reverbcentral Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 19 Felton, CA	Posted on Aug 28 2008 12:51 PM Cecelia Ann was written by Steve Hoffman in 1989, according to Steve and as credited on the BMI site. — Phil Dirt<br><a href="klzzwxh:0000">Reverb Central</a> Top
surfneptune Joined: Mar 16, 2006 Posts: 923	Posted on Aug 28 2008 12:52 PM Read this: http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=134420 — THe NEpTuNeS Top
reverbcentral Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 19 Felton, CA	Posted on Aug 28 2008 12:57 PM Steve Hoffman & Frosty Horton (Frosty left off my post in haste)<br><a>BMI</a> — Phil Dirt<br><a href="klzzwxh:0000">Reverb Central</a> Top
reverbcentral Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 19 Felton, CA	Posted on Aug 28 2008 01:00 PM Hey - the code didn't come through: <a>BMI</a> If it is still wrong: bmi.com search cecilia ann — Phil Dirt<br><a href="klzzwxh:0000">Reverb Central</a> Top
Klas Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 2270 Stockholm, Sweden	Posted on Oct 06 2008 09:58 AM Klas I have yet to order the new Ace comp but it will definitely be interesting to see what they have to say about the song in the "exhaustive sleeve notes". Turned out Ace screwed up pretty bad. From the liners: Mystery surrounds the SURFTONES. "Cecilia Ann" first saw release on a late-80s CD, where it was erroneously noted as having been released in 1964 on an independent label. The year of recording is almost certainly correct, although it is most likely to have been previously unissued. Great comp anyway and I can now get rid of my Surf Legends and Rumours CD. — T H E ✠ S U R F I T E S Top
Klas Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 2270 Stockholm, Sweden	Posted on Oct 06 2008 10:12 AM Just noticed this from the Reverb Central review of the Ace CD: There is significant controversy over the origin of the track. Surf Legends (and Rumors) compilation producer Steve Hoffman says he needed a track to open the comp, and so he wrote and recorded "Cecilia Ann" with Charles 'Frosty' Horton, mimicking the sound of The Hustlers as closely as he could. Brian Nevill, who put together the It Came From The Beach: Surf, Drag & Rockin' Instros From Downey comp for Ace says that Ace got the track from an analog two track reel with the Downey masters they bought the rights to. So, is it from 1964 or 1989? I wouldn't be surprised if Hoffman just "placed" his modern recording with the original Downey tapes when they were finished with the Surf Legends comp in the 80's. — T H E ✠ S U R F I T E S Top
merc50 Joined: Jul 03, 2007 Posts: 149 Flower Mound, Texas	Posted on Oct 25 2008 01:36 PM I finally picked this one up, I really dig it. Thanks for the heads up when all this started about it coming out, I probably would have missed it. — www.kingvoodoo.blogspot.com Top
Shut_Down_Eddie Joined: Apr 16, 2011 Posts: 20 Kobe, japan	Posted on Apr 23 2011 07:39 AM A little help for your Downey Collecting. Downey label Photo Top

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