Surfpunk63
Joined: Feb 26, 2021
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Pittsburgh
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Posted on Feb 26 2021 05:37 AM
Hello, This is a tough question but I was looking for some sort of guidance. My dream guitar is a vintage Mosrite Ventures mk1. I finally found the one I have been looking for (ink blue) it has the “Mosley” tailpiece so I know it is newer than 1964. The serial number is 3420. I was wondering if anyone could ballpark a date to reassure me that it is legit. It has the aluminum nut. I have attached a photo.
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DannySnyder
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Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Feb 26 2021 07:47 AM
I don't see a photo Surfpunk63
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JohnnyMosrite
Joined: Jun 14, 2006
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New York City area
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Posted on Feb 26 2021 08:11 AM
Surfpunk,
With no picture and without a net -
The serial number indicates a 1966 model - maybe - it could be a very late, late 1965.
1966 Indicators would be:
The truss rod adjustment is at the headstock. If it's at the base of the neck, then you lucked out with a late 1965. The "Mosley" tailpiece and 'M' control knobs (not the pre-'65 smooth knobs') are other indicators.
And of course, check the control pots date codes.
A word of caution on a 1966 Mosrite model as I've owned many Mosrites -
Make sure you play or get a trial period for this guitar. Moseley had really ramped up production in 1966. He was hiring unskilled labor - (often ex-convicts) and had really "streamlined" the guitar's construction with frequently compromised quality control problems. The biggest and worst was using pot metal instead of the forgings for the tailpiece. Avoid those like the plague. Those Mosrites with pot metal tailpieces just plain suck.
I've actually had to fix the electronics on some of the late '65-'66 models - the volume and tone control pots center lugs were soldered together along with quite slipshod soldering.
I've actually dumped the 1966 models I owned over the years.
The 65's were good; the 67's (no Ventures headstock logo) were more refined. I haven't met a 66 model that I liked. But that's just my experience.
So - like GM Camaros and Firebirds, you may get a good one; you may get a lemon.
Hope this helps and your guitar works out for you.
BTW - if you're paying $3K or better for it, "Walk, Don't Run" away.
J Mo'
Last edited: Feb 26, 2021 08:33:03
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Surfpunk63
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Pittsburgh
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Posted on Feb 27 2021 06:38 AM
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Surfpunk63
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Pittsburgh
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Posted on Feb 27 2021 06:40 AM
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JohnnyMosrite
Joined: Jun 14, 2006
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New York City area
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Posted on Feb 27 2021 08:27 AM
Surfpunk,
From the looks of it, you have a winner! The immediate news is that it is most likely a very late in the year 1965 - not a 1966. The truss rod adjustment at the base of the neck indicates a 1965 model. The 'M' knobs came around in late 1965 replacing the smooth knobs. The date codes on the control pots should confirm a 1965 year if they haven't been replaced.
You have the correct type of Mosley tailpiece for a 1965. In 1966, the tailpieces were being made from cheap Zamak. Who wants a guitar tailpiece made of cheap zinc?
Fixing the binding shouldn't be a big deal for any competent luthier. And I would get it fixed as soon as possible - it isn't going to stabilize and fix itself. You might chip more of it off with playing; so just get it fixed.
It appears that the guitar also has the 1/2 round nut (Best I can tell from the photos) - all the more indication of a 1965 model. Later models had a 1/4 round nut.
So - if you can pull this in at around $3K or under - with the original brown alligator case, you got yourself a bargain.
One last thing - The action looks a bit high - for a Mosrite. See if there is some more room to lower the bridge to the body. You are always better off if you can lower the stings FLAT to the fretboard and then raise them up to the string height action you prefer.
Here to help
J' Mo
Last edited: Feb 27, 2021 08:37:46
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Surfpunk63
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Pittsburgh
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Posted on Feb 27 2021 12:27 PM
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JohnnyMosrite
Joined: Jun 14, 2006
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New York City area
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Posted on Feb 27 2021 02:31 PM
Surfpunk,
Given the choice and $$$$ not being a factor, I'd absolutely jump on that black '64.
For the '64, you should look for the back neckplate being held on with 4 small screws - underneath the neckplate are the actual neck bolts. This was a '64 "feature". If it's just four straight neck screws going into the neck from the backplate, then it's an early '65. Though I can't see the serial number, I can make out that the pickup covers don't have the "circle 'R'" patent stamp meaning they are the original pickups. The Vibramute tailpiece is correct and it has the pre-'66 smooth knobs.
Again, neck binding can be repaired by any competent luthier. The axe has lovely rust patina on the screws - that's from sweat.. the thing has been played.
The blue '65 will play a bit better.. the 64's actually have narrower necks than the '65s. That choice is between you and your hands.
Tell you what though..
If you take one, please let me know about the other and its owner. Maybe he and I might do some business. You can PM me and keep it between us. I'd be interested in the prices asked, of course.
What else? -
Frets - see if you really need to replace the frets after you play the thing. If you do go for a fret job, DO NOT USE TYPICAL FENDER/GIBSON SIZE FRETS.
Use mandolin frets or Dunlop ACCU-FRET 6S/6340 Flat fret wire - NOTHING ELSE or you will ruin the guitar. Mosrites and big frets don't mix. A typically well executed fret job is a $300-$400 undertaking these days.
You can take stickers off a case with 'GOO BE GONE' - available at any hardware store - Home Depot, Wall-mart, etc.
As for sound? They will both sound pretty much the same. Mosley wound his pickups in batches. The difference between the guitars is 1 - 2 years maximum depending on the black model's serial number (at base of the neck).
So - the blue one may play a bit easier than the black one depending on your fingers and hand size. (Welcome to the small fingers club).
Hope I covered your concerns
J Mo'
Last edited: Feb 27, 2021 14:55:52
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cosmonaut
Joined: Apr 02, 2019
Posts: 339
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Posted on Mar 01 2021 09:29 PM
oh lordy that black one is special... (and i do not like black guitars)
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da-ron
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The original Plymouth, UK.
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Posted on Mar 02 2021 11:08 AM
Personally I'd leave the stickers on the case. It's part of the guitar's history. Imagine someone phoning up saying, "i think Nokie Edwards used to have that guitar, has it got a blah-de-blah sticker on the case?'.
Then you have to say, 'Uh not anymore', and there goes your provenance.
Just saying.
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