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Has anyone noticed that the way the ventures played "Surf Rider/Spudnik" originally, and the way they played it in later years has a significant difference? Namely, the walkdown into the B part. Both the Ventures and the Lively Ones play a C# on the early recordings. Later on , The Ventures started playing a C natural. Both Nokie and Gerry can be seen doing this. I personally prefer the original way. How do most of you guys play it, and why? Any guesses as to why Nokie changed it?

I'm trying to figure out which part you mean. Is the B part the A7-D7-G7-C7-(E7?) part? Can you post a link with a time reference?

I've been listening to recordings of it but no C# has jumped out at me. It seems like it would be really obvious.

Hi Redfeather. The C# I am referring to is not a chord, but a scale tone during the walk down to the first A minor after the initial riff.

Here are The Ventures from The Surfing album. The walkdown starts about 14 seconds in. E D C# B A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soUdI9wynm4

Here is Nokie later in life. E D C B A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifakzy3coBI

I'll be DAMNED. I've never even noticed that's a C#! I've always played a C there.

It does makes more musical sense to play a C natural, though, since that is the proper third of the Amin it's leading into. But then the song does modulate between minor and major from this part to the part I referenced above, so it seems like either way is defensible. And hey, if the crowd is composed of dunces like me, they'll never know the difference anyway!

Here's an instance of the major version where it does reflect the major key of the song.

Amazing catch! I kinda like the regular C better...

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Yeah it's kinda weird. But it works nicely. I think a lot of people play Am on that opening riff. But I hear A7. 7's all the way down to E7. And the C# is party of the E7(mixolydian) scale so it works. Once it hits the A note it then becomes an Am. When it gets to the 3rd part, that A becomes a 7th again. It really is a great tune.

Man, thanks for bringing this up. It's great to really look at these things like this. I have a new appreciation for that middle part with all the 7s, the way it forms a complete cycle. Earlier I wasn't sure about that last chord being an E7 but yes, of course it is. The 5 resolving back to the 1 (except it's a minor.) But you could play that 7s part all day long in an endless loop!

Another thing I noticed: the main part is the same chord progression as Mr. Moto!

Last edited: Jan 14, 2019 20:27:58

The second time Nokie plays the intro riff, about 60% through the song, he just holds E. No walk down, no run down, nothing down.

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I've always played it in C# but who cares, it's a fantastic song. What makes it is tempo. The faster you play it the better it is. We try to take it a little faster than the lively ones version. There is so much movement in the song and especially the bass line. The faster you push those elements the more they come out.

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Squid wrote:

The second time Nokie plays the intro riff, about 60% through the song, he just holds E. No walk down, no run down, nothing down.

Totally true. In fact I've heard people play the whole thing without a walk down at all.

Last edited: Jan 15, 2019 05:38:22

Redfeather wrote:

Man, thanks for bringing this up. It's great to really look at these things like this. I have a new appreciation for that middle part with all the 7s, the way it forms a complete cycle. Earlier I wasn't sure about that last chord being an E7 but yes, of course it is. The 5 resolving back to the 1 (except it's a minor.) But you could play that 7s part all day long in an endless loop!

Another thing I noticed: the main part is the same chord progression as Mr. Moto!

I'm glad people appreciate this stuff. It's a passion of mine. Going deep you find a lot of curious stuff. Like Wipeout for instance. The Surfaris did it in B. But just about everyone else, including The Ventures, does it in C. Probably BECAUSE the Ventures did it in C. It totally is the same as Mr. Moto. I think chord progressions were a dime a dozen in the 60's

Last edited: Jan 15, 2019 05:37:47

stratdancer wrote:

I've always played it in C# but who cares, it's a fantastic song. What makes it is tempo. The faster you play it the better it is. We try to take it a little faster than the lively ones version. There is so much movement in the song and especially the bass line. The faster you push those elements the more they come out.

I agree. I like it med-fast. The B part needs to breath a little. Such a fun tune.

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