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Hey what about the Surfrajettes!!!

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Playing in a band that has always had a woman in it as a guitarist with (the exception of only two shows since 2000), I can tell you Mandy was onto something with her point about surf being especially polarizing. I know this because instead of men speculating about what women think- I believe Ivan made a funny jab about that- Jennifer and I have talked to them. I know. Brilliant, right? Quick examples of stuff guys love: The posters of B-movie women with clothes torn apart being attacked by beasts, the use of women as set decoration or dancers, the endless obsessing about gear and gadgets...all things that help push them away. It shouldn't come as a shock that Jennifer (from our band) has talked to some of the very women mentioned as examples in this post. I have as well, but not in a "what's it like for a woman" degree as they share among each other. This is one of those areas where as the saying goes, "be careful what you wish for" if you are asking on a surf site what it is that repels them because many here will not like the answers they give and some will get hurt feelings. If a woman posted on a car site, "Okay, you asked- here's what is stupid about you guys with your cars..." well, she wouldn't because why invite that kind of ire: one vs. all the die-hard fans on their home turf? It would certainly explain the lack of woman answering this thread. Ask women guitarists directly or write them. This is no great mystery that cannot be known. They certainly know WHY they like things and not others.

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Reverbenator wrote:

Might it have anything to do with the fact that (And this nothing more than an anecdotal observation, nothing scientific ) most women I know, don't care for instrumental music. Even just to listen to, let alone play.

Does anyone here have any similar observations?

You are on to something, my wife feels the same way, she loves when I play songs with vocals but "Instrumentals", no way, she doesn't like Link Wray, Duane Eddy, Dick Dale tunes. And get this she L-O-V-E-S, LOVES Robert Johnson, I turned her on to his stuff in the mid-1990's on a road trip back and forth to Florida from the Northeast.

simoncoil wrote:

In addition to what Danny and Jake said, sadly it probably isn't just the missing encouragement. When you look at the way how female rock musicians are covered by the press or how people talk about them on the internet, in 80% of the cases there is as much space dedicated to their looks as to their music and performance (often it is even more space).

Just look at some older threads about some of the artists mentioned above. Do you find similar comments about looks in threads about male performers? Probably much less.

Let's face it: In our society a women playing a guitar is first seen as "a women" and then as a guitar player. Would YOU be interested in devoting time to music, when most of the time the very thing you're interested in goes unnoticed, because people prefer to talk about your dress, your face or your chest?

With surf music (and other genres with strong ties to the past) this may also be strongly connected with the way women are represented in artwork etc. The bikini girls and go-go dancers don't exactly propagate a progressive picture of women. Why should you develop greater interest in a genre, where the role for you already seems to have been cut out as "attractive extra"?

I don't want to rain on anybody's parade and of course everybody is free to design their record sleeves and live performances in the way they want. But maybe we have to decide if we want girls in bikinis or girls with guitars...

I wanna quote this again because I still think about it when I post things for my radio show. I wouldn't say he nailed it because I'm not a girl and I don't know, but this music simply doesn't need to use scantily clad women as a trope. It can't be sending the right message.

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I've heard many guys say that.

The assertion that men like instrumental music and that women don't, is ludicrous.

My husband doesn't like to cook. All men don't like to cook. I've seen a woman cook before, women love to cook. That is this argument.

Clearly, women don't like instrumental surf music and some of the closely related genres as much as men do. There is a reason for this, it has been outlined above a couple times. Women do like instrumental music. There is classical instrumental music, Herb Albert, first wave surf music. Those dances weren't sausage fests.

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I was going to make an inappropriate joke but then I found this. Guy makes a pretty good point I'd say.

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I see a counterpoint to the maleness of electric guitar music in the femaleness of fine arts painting, which my wife is heavily involved in. To support and encourage her I go to many fine arts related events. About 80% of the artists are female.

The band environment differs markedly from the fine arts environment. We band folks seem commonly exhibitionistic and outgoing. The artists very widely from outgoing to socially phobic, from exhibitionistic to introverted. Band involvement seems to require more physical stamina and strength than painting. (The artists involved with welding and statues are usually male).

IMO music performance is more right-brained and fine art painting is more integrated right & left brain. This corresponds to the more lateralized brain structure of males, and the greater integration of spatial and transcriptional functions in females. The male fascination with tools is right-brained. The structure of the guitar fretboard is also right-brained. Lyrics are more left-brained.

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blackheartsfan wrote:

broads ... message (at least one their brains recognize) ...
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for some of them it's about getting that "itch" scratched, in most cases it's something that could be remedied with a week or two of strong antibiotics.

Okay, obviously we will have to add "hostility" to the reasons why not more women are interested in surf music.

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