BC4DdrummerAK
Joined: Oct 07, 2012
Posts: 66
Anchorage, Alaska
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Posted on Nov 03 2016 05:05 PM
Syndicateofsurf wrote:
You drummers are as bad as the guitarists- you can beat a subject to death.
Ha ha... of course I'm joking to mask my ignorance of the subject. I'd love to talk snares but golly Andy, how much gear can I obsess over? January I will celebrate my 10 year anniversary of purchasing my first NEW drum set. It's a Ludwig from Guitar Center, black w 3 toms and a snare. Cymbal pack and double bass pedal put the price tag at $850.
I have a short article about getting my first drumset as a youngster on my web site that you can access. There is psychedelic scene at the end. I am putting this there as pure click-bait, but yes, it is an actual psychedelic scene. GA-ROOV-Y.
http://www.syndicateofsurf.com/the-syndicate-hit-list.html
But how do you go about testing out snares? I mean, I'm self conscious as hell trying out guitars and they usually have volume switches on them. Start beating on a drum...?
This is pretty much my first drum set. Read the amazing adventure RIGHT HERE: http://www.syndicateofsurf.com/the-syndicate-hit-list.html
That's a gorgeous kit sir! I'm definitely jealous of the guys who have the retro gear for playing surf. As I've mentioned in other threads, I have a 'new school' kit that I make work for surf. But I play rock, metal, etc, so it's convenient, a bit of change in my tuning and off I go. haha
— Gear:Kit:Pearl Reference series in Emerald Fade,Pearl rack,Pearl Demon Drive pedals,Tama Iron Cobra hi-hat stand, Sabian & UFiP cymbals.
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drumsdick
Joined: May 29, 2007
Posts: 224
Central CT, USA
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Posted on Nov 05 2016 02:54 PM
So here is a shot of my '71 6-lug Ludwig. I'm packing that and my LP bongos for our "Aquatudes" gig tonight in NYC. Unsteady Freddie's monthly "Surf Rock Shindig"!
Fun stuff!
- Dick
— *Dick B.
The Aquatudes
http://www.aquatudes.com
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Aquatudes/107419619521
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surfbeatnik
Joined: Apr 01, 2007
Posts: 345
Sea Country, CA, USA
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Posted on Nov 06 2016 01:11 PM
I've had a few snares over the years; wood, steel, aluminum. Mostly Slingerland and Ludwig, except for a stint with my Tama Imperialstar when I was in high school.
To accompany my '65 Ludwig Downbeat kit, I currently use and enjoy my '67 Ludwig Supraphonic with brass hoops. As one of the most recorded snares out there, I find it very flexible in tunability with the 10 lugs and Ludalloy shell.
I do sometimes, pine for my old wood snare...a maple '64 Slingerland "Hollywood Ace".
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Matt22
Joined: Feb 15, 2007
Posts: 2813
Fredericksburg, Virginia
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Posted on Nov 06 2016 09:33 PM
To me the snare is the key. I didn't drum for too long, but an old Ludwig is what I had and I thought it sounded authentic. The kit I had was from 1968.
— Matt "tha Kat" Lentz
Skippy and the Skipjacks: 2018-
Skippyandtheskipjacks.net
https://www.facebook.com/skippyandtheskipjacks
Otto and the Ottomans: 2014-2015
The Coconauts surf band: 2009-2014
www.theamazingcoconauts.com
Group Captain and the Mandrakes 2013
http://www.gcmband.com/
The Surfside IV: 2002-2005, 2008-2009
the Del-Vamps: 1992-1999, 2006-2007
http://www.dblcrown.com/delvamps.html
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drumuitar
Joined: Feb 28, 2006
Posts: 813
Boise, ID
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Posted on Nov 07 2016 01:07 AM
I had (I can no longer play)a big variety of vintage and modern snares and regardless of the style of music, I always went back to my chrome-over-brass 60s Rogers Powertone - 5x14.
— Shawn Martin
http://www.drummerman.net
http://www.youtube.com/GKacedrummerman
http://www.facebook.com/drumuitar
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CreepBeat
Joined: Feb 25, 2016
Posts: 240
Seattle, WA
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Posted on Dec 06 2016 10:20 PM
I'm with SurfBeatNik above - though I have had and still own a gaggle of different snare drums, the Ludwig 5x14 Supraphonic for surf (or most anything for that matter) with a coated Remo Ambassador for me. While the others have their own character and whatnot, for whatever reason that drum always feels like home. If I could keep only one, that would be it. The others are generally my fancy dust collectors.
— Skins for The Delstroyers
Last edited: Dec 06, 2016 22:21:08
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Badger
Joined: Nov 16, 2013
Posts: 4536
Wisconsin
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Posted on Dec 08 2016 06:07 AM
This is a really neat discussion. Didn't realize how much there is to one of the things I really key on when listening.
— Wes
SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel
DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices.
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Syndicateofsurf
Joined: Oct 08, 2014
Posts: 1073
Northern Ohio
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Posted on Dec 08 2016 10:48 AM
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Badger
Joined: Nov 16, 2013
Posts: 4536
Wisconsin
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Posted on Dec 08 2016 11:00 AM
Syndicateofsurf wrote:
Let's talk woodblocks!
Oh, yes. I just scavenged a dead 50's era dining-room chair for a nice chunk of mahogany #3 grand-daughter can whack on while someone grinds away (hohum) on Latinia. Wood preferences?
— Wes
SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel
DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices.
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Syndicateofsurf
Joined: Oct 08, 2014
Posts: 1073
Northern Ohio
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Posted on Dec 08 2016 11:12 AM
Badger wrote:
Syndicateofsurf wrote:
Let's talk woodblocks!
Oh, yes. I just scavenged a dead 50's era dining-room chair for a nice chunk of mahogany #3 grand-daughter can whack on while someone grinds away (hohum) on Latinia. Wood preferences?
Wow, that didn't take long. Once again I opted for technology after flailing on various pvc pipes, wood chunks from my fireplace etc.
This sounds great:
— Da Vinci Flinglestein,
The quest for the Tone, the tone of the Quest
The Syndicate of Surf on YouTube
http://www.syndicateofsurf.com/
http://sharawaji.com/
http://surfrockradio.com/
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Badger
Joined: Nov 16, 2013
Posts: 4536
Wisconsin
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Posted on Dec 08 2016 11:49 AM
— Wes
SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel
DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices.
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Syndicateofsurf
Joined: Oct 08, 2014
Posts: 1073
Northern Ohio
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Posted on Dec 08 2016 11:57 AM
Badger wrote:
Yeah. Still a disappointment to my family too.
I've just always hated sports.
— Da Vinci Flinglestein,
The quest for the Tone, the tone of the Quest
The Syndicate of Surf on YouTube
http://www.syndicateofsurf.com/
http://sharawaji.com/
http://surfrockradio.com/
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Badger
Joined: Nov 16, 2013
Posts: 4536
Wisconsin
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Posted on Dec 08 2016 02:32 PM
Syndicateofsurf wrote:
Yeah. Still a disappointment to my family too.
I've just always hated sports.
LOL, no worries - I'm truly one of those, "whatever works..."
Getting back to the thread, it's intriguing because even though I've used them (drum loops) at home I always find myself yelling at the computer to "HIT the damned thing!" So when I get to see these fine folks talk about their stuff like guitar players do strings & pickups it's kinda neat.
— Wes
SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel
DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices.
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CreepBeat
Joined: Feb 25, 2016
Posts: 240
Seattle, WA
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Posted on Dec 08 2016 07:59 PM
Now that we have woodblocks covered, let's get back to snares.
The drum, head, tension, etc surely matters but how you play it matters even more and I'm really curious - who plays rimshots pretty much 24/7 for your up-tempo surf songs?
— Skins for The Delstroyers
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BC4DdrummerAK
Joined: Oct 07, 2012
Posts: 66
Anchorage, Alaska
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Posted on Jan 11 2017 07:32 PM
I actually do not use rimshots 24/7, but rather space them out for loud accents at certain points in our tunes. People say (complain) I play loud enough as it is. haha
— Gear:Kit:Pearl Reference series in Emerald Fade,Pearl rack,Pearl Demon Drive pedals,Tama Iron Cobra hi-hat stand, Sabian & UFiP cymbals.
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CreepBeat
Joined: Feb 25, 2016
Posts: 240
Seattle, WA
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Posted on Jan 12 2017 02:35 PM
BC4DdrummerAK wrote:
I actually do not use rimshots 24/7, but rather space them out for loud accents at certain points in our tunes. People say (complain) I play loud enough as it is. haha
Watching some Mel Taylor live in Japan videos - the guy is a rimshot madman! That's what got me thinking about using them more in surf. I'm pretty much in the same boat as you currently (rimshot accents primarily) but working on using them for surf beats and not just fill accents because I love the rimshot tones you can get but as you said, playing them lighter to keep the volume in check.
Used a Keplinger stainless steel 14x5.5 in the studio the other day and it was fab! Liked it better than the Gretsch solid steel I have (was what was on our homebrew E.P. last year) and now I want one. I ended up using that Keplinger on everything except an old wood Slingerland thing (Radioking?) that I found in the basement for a surf ballad we did. Regardless, the 14x5.5 Supraphonic is my daily driver.
— Skins for The Delstroyers
Last edited: Jan 12, 2017 15:26:15
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ScottyBravo
Joined: Jul 14, 2008
Posts: 92
Chandler, AZ
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Posted on Jan 13 2017 08:31 AM
Although I'm quite happy with the aforementioned maple snare, I'm thinking more and more that I need to pick up a steel snare. I used one recently at a backlined gig and really loved the sound.
— Scott
http://thesurfsideiv.com/
https://www.facebook.com/surfsideiv/
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spskins
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 3732
tn
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Posted on Jan 13 2017 01:07 PM
In our last recording session, I brought my trusty old Pioneer that I always use live, a 60s Slingerland that came with the kit, and a 60s Ludwig steel snare, all 14x5.5. I was thinking I could listen back and pick the perfect snare for each song, depending. Turns out, for the room, mics and setup, I ended up using the steel one on every song.
— http://www.satanspilgrims.com
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Satans-Pilgrims/8210228553
https://satanspilgrims.bandcamp.com/
http://www.surfyindustries.com
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CreepBeat
Joined: Feb 25, 2016
Posts: 240
Seattle, WA
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Posted on Jan 13 2017 02:58 PM
spskins wrote:
In our last recording session, I brought my trusty old Pioneer that I always use live, a 60s Slingerland that came with the kit, and a 60s Ludwig steel snare, all 14x5.5. I was thinking I could listen back and pick the perfect snare for each song, depending. Turns out, for the room, mics and setup, I ended up using the steel one on every song.
I first heard SP at a house party in Seattle in the '90s. Of course it was the epicenter of the grunge era and we were all flannels and hair as well. I was immediately curious what it was and had to hunt down the turntable. Around and around "Creature Feature" went. That very moment began my voyage into surf and have loved it since. Thanks for that Ted! I say all that because I've always been curious about what snare was on that record? It sounds tuned up to the max! Happen to remember?
— Skins for The Delstroyers
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spskins
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 3732
tn
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Posted on Jan 13 2017 03:47 PM
It could have been a couple of different possibilities..Either a steel Ludwig or a wooden Pearl maybe a wooden Ludwig Not entirely sure.
I don't remember that house party either! Sounds like fun though.
Thanks!
Ted
— http://www.satanspilgrims.com
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Satans-Pilgrims/8210228553
https://satanspilgrims.bandcamp.com/
http://www.surfyindustries.com
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