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Posted on Jun 23 2010 10:56 PM
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 03:33 AM
Well, you can't deny there is a Tele all over this (my favorite) surf classic ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMheyWm2XWc
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 04:22 AM
I'm on TDPRI under the same user name. I recall this thread. I think Elliot is overstating the case a bit, but there is some truth to what he says. The first wave, especially at the beginning, had a number of bands (10, 15, 20, ?) -- the ones we all recognize -- that played all the instruments internally and Teles were probably rare in those instances. As alluded to by Elliott, towards the end of the first wave and into the mid-60s, there were a slew of surf and hot rod albums put out by the session cats associated with the Wrecking Crew, using names like the Marketts, Avalanches, Darts, De-Fenders, Deuce Coupes, etc. I think it is fair to say that of the Wrecking Crew guitarists, Tommy Tedesco (Tele) was by far the most prolific in this era, with Jerry Cole (mostly Strat?) and James Burton (Tele) probably 2-3. Beyond that, and just based on my anecdotal understanding and lots of reading, Glen Campbell (Tele, Strat), Howard Roberts (jazz box, Tele) and Billy Strange (mostly JM?) were probably on the most recordings. Also, Lolly Vegas (Tele) played guitar on the Deuce Coupes sessions. So it is logical to deduce that a significant percentage of the session cat's surf output was played on Teles. All that being said, I don't think too many of surf's most memorable hits came off these albums. Tommy Tedesco & Carol Kaye |
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 05:18 AM
Sorry, i'm a little out of sync here. Yes, i understand both Strat and Tele are versatile but the Telecaster's bridge cover is a nice place for the palm and suggests a picking guitar. |
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 05:51 AM
Precisely, my point. But he's overstating more than just a bit. Tedesco was a Tele guy but let's review other well known surf/hot rod session guys... Richie Podolor - Strat Also, he suggests that the Wrecking Crew played on the early Beach Boys Hot Rod/Surf songs which is also incorrect. Brian began using them heavily later. On their early stuff Carl played a Jazzmaster, Al Jardine played a Strat and David Marks thier original rhythm guitarist who plays on their early hits and is often overlooked used a Jazzmaster. In addition, The Deadly Ones is not a Wrecking Crew album, so we can only speculate what is being played on that. I've got nothing against Tele's. Booker T and the MG's make very nice use of them. But for Elliot to state they were widely used in surf/hot rod sessions is simply incorrect. Here's a nice cover shot of session ace Billy Strange and his fine collection of guitars. Hmm, no Tele's. Billy played on Jan and Dean's Dead Man's Curve and many surf/hot rod sessions.
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 08:53 AM
As soon as you find something in this thread that resembles an objective fact and not an opinion based on personal taste, you be sure to let me know. |
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 09:07 AM
Man, if you can't see that you might need glasses. BOSS FINK "R.P.M." available now from DOUBLE CROWN RECORDS! |
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 09:09 AM
Oh there are facts as to what player played what guitar. But as to whether or not a guitar is good for surf, that's completely subjective. That's just like, your opinion, man.
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 09:09 AM
It's obvious you just like to argue. How many more examples do you want? —BOSS FINK "R.P.M." available now from DOUBLE CROWN RECORDS! |
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 09:11 AM
Examples of what? — |
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 09:16 AM
Haven't you read any of these posts? I don't feel I have to spell it out for you but I will. This thread is not about whether Tele's are good or bad for surf music. Eliot from the Cars stated something that is grossly incorrect.... Tele's were widely used in surf sessions of the sixties. If you read what other session guys played you would see that the statement is wrong. That's the point of this thread. —BOSS FINK "R.P.M." available now from DOUBLE CROWN RECORDS! |
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 09:20 AM
I've never made any argument whatsoever about whether early surf session guys played Teles or not. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else? If I were a 60s surf session guy, I wouldn't have picked a Tele. Those guys were playing stock guitars, and I wouldn't play a guitar that didn't have a vibrato. Today, however, it seems like everyone modifies their instruments, and a Tele works great for surf with the addition of a Bigsby. — |
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 09:21 AM
This thread wasn't started to answer the question "can you use a tele for surf", it was about the assertion made by someone that teles were heavily used by session players on surf records. —Site dude - S3 Agent #202 "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea |
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 09:22 AM
Correct! Thanks, Brian. That's the point of the thread. —BOSS FINK "R.P.M." available now from DOUBLE CROWN RECORDS! |
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 09:25 AM
Yes, I know. — |
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 09:26 AM
Carl used a Jaguar not a Jazzmaster. —"as he stepped into the stealthy night air... little did he know the fire escape was not there" https://www.facebook.com/reluctantaquanauts/ |
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 09:34 AM
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 09:39 AM
Nokie Edwards supposedly used a Telecaster in the studio before the Mosrites. "NOKIE: In the beginning I played a Telecaster and when we were involved with Mosrite, I played them from 1963 to 1966. Then I started to play my Nokie Telecaster. " As for the other argument about Teles not making good surf guitars because they are too twangy. Anyone who believes that needs to spend more time with a Tele selected with the neck pickup on. Or try a Tele with flatwounds. If someone is that serious about making "the" surf sound they are probably going to be using a Fender reverb tank on high settings anyway which at that point isn't going to make that much of a difference whether or not your playing a Tele or an offset Fender. —"as he stepped into the stealthy night air... little did he know the fire escape was not there" https://www.facebook.com/reluctantaquanauts/ |
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 09:40 AM
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Posted on Jun 24 2010 09:44 AM
You are in fact correct but I've seen him pictured with a Jazzmaster too but certainly not with a Tele, which is the point of this thread. There's also a pic of Glenn Campbell live onstage in the early sixties with The Beach Boys (he was filling in on bass when Brian got sick). But he's playing a Strat! —BOSS FINK "R.P.M." available now from DOUBLE CROWN RECORDS! |
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