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VancouverSurf wrote:

Unfortunately, I had to miss this. If anyone could list some or all of the songs that were played, that would be much appreciated.

The playlist should pop up somewhere in the general
Discussion area soon.

There will be a replay of it mid week.
I think wed. Or thurs.

Jeff(bigtikidude)

I read this entire thread with great interest and it spurred some thoughts. Like most phenomena, Surf Music was a product of time and circumstance, all coming together. The electric guitar had been invented in the '20s, but came into it's own in the thirties. By the late thirties, it was starting to take hold but then WW II put pretty much everything on hold.

As the postwar years brought back a degree of normalcy, the electric guitar took up right where it had been before the war, but the war also gave us a lot of people with technical skills, so there was plenty of development. While this part of the story is usually reserved for Leo Fender, I think it's probably more significant that Hammond Organ developed their reverb units and by 1960 had a compact spring-reverb pan which could be used in relatively portable equipment.

No longer was reverb the sole province of recording studios. Duane Eddy and Lee Hazelwood had used a water tank for their effect, and people loved it. The Shadows had used tape delay (which had also been used in Nashville) and got a bright, open sound that way, but tape delays had their own sets of issues.

When portable reverb became readily available the sound of Duane Eddy, the Shadows and other groups was now joined by something similar, but nonetheless different: spring reverb. It just so happened that this coincided with Surfing becoming all the rage with a new generation of teens in SoCal and it's no coincidence that the new thing in music would become tied to Surfing. They both happened about the same time. Dick Dale made the point that his music reminded him of the sound of riding the surf (whether he actually ever did or not is another question) but the sound of bright, clean guitars with lots of reverb and Surfing melded at that time.

This was also an era of explosive growth in drag racing and similar sounding music was associated with drag racing, hot rods, muscle-cars, etc. around the same time period. Both surfing and drag racing are exciting sports and clean guitars with lots of reverb played energetically fit well with the exciting nature of these sports.

The Beach Boys and Jan & Dean were essentially the outgrowth of doo-wop groups that hitched their music to the guitar sounds popular and both groups sang about surfing, because that was the emerging cultural trend of the time. They weren't the same thing as the Surf instrumentals we all love, but it was a product of many of the same influences.

But in the Central Valley, reverb and trebly electric guitars were being used in Country music; once again not identical to Surf by any means, but another expression of the effect of the technological development in the guitar world. The Bakersfield sound came to be all but synonymous with bright, solid-body guitars, and lots of reverb.

The sound of clean guitars and reverb was everywhere. If Los Straitjackets had time-warped into 1963 they would have fit in, not with Surf, but with a more mainstream style of music that used a slightly milder version of the same sounds. There was a lot of that sort of music out there, a strange mix of more traditional instrumentals played on electric guitars with lots of reverb and employing Rock n' Roll techniques.

If Ennio Morricone was at all aware of this, and I'm certain that he was, he would have seen the value in using this sound. Once again, the tension of the films fit well with the energy of that sound. It wasn't Surf music, by any means, but it was the sound of a bright, clean guitar with lots of reverb.

With all of the varieties above, there was change. Fuzz was used to some extent, various approaches to reverb and echo were used and different techniques developed in each genre. I just remember hearing variations of that same basic sound a lot of time when I was a child. I heard it on my sister's Top 40 station and I heard it on the station my musically conservative parents listened to. It was in movies, TV and when I started hanging out in music stores, I heard it there too.

Then, like a flash, it was gone. Somewhere around 1967 the mainstream sound changed and the sound of clean guitars with lots of reverb sounded dated, or relegated to the sequined nudie suit crowd. If I had cranked up the reverb a ripped through Pipeline, Buckaroo, or the Good, the Bad and the Ugly when I was 16 (1971) I would have been branded as incredibly lame. Five years before, it would have been cool, but things changed fast.

The artist formerly known as: Synchro

When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.

Just as you say, clean twangy guitar recordings are now identified as within the domain of country music. Pandora Radio characterized one of my reverb-drenched surf recordings (Squid Squad, A.K.A. Relentless Squid) as a combination of country and punk.

At my band's live performances at the farmer's market, virtually all the people who speak to us or dance in front of us are over 60 or under 12. The older ones say they haven't heard music like this in many decades. The young ones bounce to the happy sounds and the beat.

I am a dinosaur.

Insanitizers! http://www.insanitizers.com

Last edited: Apr 09, 2018 19:35:02

Rumors of another Spaghetti fest this coming fall,
Hopefully Federale can come down again.

Jeff(bigtikidude)

Squid wrote:

Just as you say, clean twangy guitar recordings are now identified as within the domain of country music. Pandora Radio characterized one of my reverb-drenched surf recordings (Squid Squad, A.K.A. Relentless Squid) as a combination of country and punk.

At my band's live performances at the farmer's market, virtually all the people who speak to us or dance in front of us are over 60 or under 12. The older ones say they haven't heard music like this in many decades. The young ones bounce to the happy sounds and the beat.

I am a dinosaur.

We are ALL dinosaurs and long extinct. Screw 'em!
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Cool

Don't mean to distract from Synchro's post but I really loved listening to this today
https://mondosangue.bandcamp.com/album/no-place-for-a-man

Storm Surge of Reverb: Surf & Instro Radio

Squid wrote:

Just as you say, clean twangy guitar recordings are now identified as within the domain of country music. Pandora Radio characterized one of my reverb-drenched surf recordings (Squid Squad, A.K.A. Relentless Squid) as a combination of country and punk.

At my band's live performances at the farmer's market, virtually all the people who speak to us or dance in front of us are over 60 or under 12. The older ones say they haven't heard music like this in many decades. The young ones bounce to the happy sounds and the beat.

I am a dinosaur.

Being a Coloradan (in exile), I’ll gladly accept the role of Stegosaurus and do so proudly. Smile

A lot of what our band plays would have been recognizable before the Beatles were on Sullivan. I’ve played a lot of different things. I fingerpicked my way through the Singer/Songwriter era, played Jazz (including a lengthy period of trying to be Joe Pass), played Country and heard Junior Brown play his Surf Medley l’ve. I’ve been stuck in 1962 ever since, playing both Surf and mainstream Rn’R from that era. Dino’s forever!

The artist formerly known as: Synchro

When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.

I liked Spindrift and they were local. To my special ears, their small combo sound worked a lot better in the CAFE NELA space than did Federale’s. Are Spindrift still active?
bigtikidude wrote:

Rumors of another Spaghetti fest this coming fall,
Hopefully Federale can come down again.

Squink Out!

Yes sir

Jeff(bigtikidude)

ElMonstroPorFavor wrote:

Don't mean to distract from Synchro's post but I really loved listening to this today
https://mondosangue.bandcamp.com/album/no-place-for-a-man

Yes!!! Just got the vinyl yesterday. So good!!

I've been watching a few spaghetti westerns lately and thought I would check sg101 to see some of the thread. It has been a great read while listening to the Trabants album "Nel Cuore Di Una Terra Selvaggia"

-Darren

darrenk wrote:

I've been watching a few spaghetti westerns lately and thought I would check sg101 to see some of the thread. It has been a great read while listening to the Trabants album "Nel Cuore Di Una Terra Selvaggia"

-Darren

I collected a lot of the bands mentioned in this thread plus some more in this playlist if you want more good music to listen too Smile

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1JezGnl9VcxJbxX6PcBNfZ?si=f-JXVesETXm3-s21qsBuxw

Master of sound in:
https://beachbombband.bandcamp.com

Last edited: Mar 25, 2020 14:51:18

The Surf Hermits - "Towards an Empty Land"

There are a few sparse and fleeting references on SG101 to Italy's Dome La Muerte E.X.P.. Not surprisingly, they look to have made a 2019 appearance at Surfer Joe and equally NOT surprisingly, Hunter has been hip to 'em (also 2019, and in 2022). Surfing Sam 61 also gave a nod amid a flurry posts, also 2019.

Anyhow, all of that to say, IMHO, not enough mentions for some pretty tasty Spaghetti Western Inspiration from these Italian folks. Check 'em out!

Fady

El Mirage @ ReverbNation

This might have been brought up earlier in the thread, but I just wanted to give a heads up that there's a compilation set of spaghetti western stuff called The Ecstasy of Gold. There's 5 double LPs in total and it's all killer no filler. They only pressed 750 of each and it looks like the label Semi-Automatic Records is now defunct, so hunt them down quickly before they cost a car payment.

Semi-Automatic Records also put out a compilation set of 4 double LPs called the Library of Sound Grooves and that focuses more on the avante-garde, jazz, and psychadelic stuff found in Italian films of the late 60s - early 70s.

https://www.discogs.com/label/565716-Semi-Automatic-Records?page=1

The Hellbenders absolutely KILLED at the 2023 SG101 Festival. I had goosebumps from start to finish, and, for me, it was the highlight of the weekend. There's a YouTube video of the whole set, that I'm having trouble finding. I'll share it when I find it. In the meantime, Hess's the transcendent opener, "Today We Kill, Tomorrow We die",
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYfjec5MpRY

Bob

pavlovsdog wrote:

This might have been brought up earlier in the thread, but I just wanted to give a heads up that there's a compilation set of spaghetti western stuff called The Ecstasy of Gold. There's 5 double LPs in total and it's all killer no filler. They only pressed 750 of each and it looks like the label Semi-Automatic Records is now defunct, so hunt them down quickly before they cost a car payment.

FYI: The first volume was also released as a CD by another company. discogs entry for the CD

After pavlovsdog mentioned it, I tracked down a brand-new, still in the plastic wrap CD copy of The Ecstasy of Gold, Vol. 1 thanks to discogs. It came from a collector in the Netherlands. It's pretty good!! I've only seen maybe two of the movies these songs are from, but it brought back fond memories of the days when I was really into spaghetti westerns.

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If you dig this style of music, you'd be well advised to pick up a copy. I found the vinyl editions to be more costly than I was interested in paying, but the CD + shipping wasn't terrible. There are some vocal songs on it, so it's not 100% instrumental, but even those songs are pretty good. The recordings themselves aren't always super well produced, but the CD transfer sounds good.

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chiba wrote:

After pavlovsdog mentioned it, I tracked down a brand-new, still in the plastic wrap CD copy of The Ecstasy of Gold, Vol. 1 thanks to discogs. It came from a collector in the Netherlands. It's pretty good!! I've only seen maybe two of the movies these songs are from, but it brought back fond memories of the days when I was really into spaghetti westerns.

image

If you dig this style of music, you'd be well advised to pick up a copy. I found the vinyl editions to be more costly than I was interested in paying, but the CD + shipping wasn't terrible. There are some vocal songs on it, so it's not 100% instrumental, but even those songs are pretty good. The recordings themselves aren't always super well produced, but the CD transfer sounds good.

Amazon has it, too.

The artist formerly known as: Synchro

When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.

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