People who know me know I love this song, in almost all it's versions

Danny Snyder

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DannySnyder wrote:

People who know me know I love this song, in almost all it's versions

Wow, that is a pretty complete list, it even had the great Muppets version.

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Been listening to a lot of Grails lately. This is one of my faves. Moody and beautiful.

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LeeVanCleef wrote:

A few of my favourites (besides Beethoven's 9th which was already mentioned):

Beethoven's 9th Symphony is a vocal.
Among my favorite instros are Beethoven's Piano Concertos #3 and #5.

The first surf style instrumental IMO is Mozart's Turkish Rondo. It is blazing fast (about 230 bpm). If you doubt that it is fast just try to play it on guitar while keeping up with a piano recording.

The first surf style vocal IMO is Offenbach's song "A Spaniard Knows (The Ways of Love)" from his 1868 opera "La Perichole". If you hear it sung in English you will hear how Offenbach invented vocal rock-n-roll. Offenbach is most famous for writing "The Can-Can."

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Well, if you really want to get nit-picky (which you clearly do by taking someone to task about the Ninth)...

Squid wrote:

Beethoven's 9th Symphony is a vocal.

Only the Finale has vocal music and the work is still considered a symphony. In fact, the vocals don't even begin until well into 45 minutes into the piece, making it consist more of instrumental music than vocal.

The first surf style instrumental IMO is Mozart's Turkish Rondo.

How? In what ways? Please elaborate musically? Also, FYI, "Turkish Rondo" is an over simplification and improper nickname that teachers use to explain the third movement of the 11th piano Sonata to kids.

The first surf style vocal IMO is Offenbach's song "A Spaniard Knows (The Ways of Love)" from his 1868 opera "La Perichole". If you hear it sung in English you will hear how Offenbach invented vocal rock-n-roll.

Again, can you please elaborate? How does this have any correlation to "Surf style" vocals or Rock n' Roll?

Offenbach is most famous for writing "The Can-Can."

No and no. Offenbach is most famous for writing The Tales of Hoffman and the Can-Can refers to a kind of dance that others much later associated with a piece from Offenbach's Orpheus in the Underworld. The Can-Can was being danced approximately 28 years before the first performance of OITU even occurred.

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JONPAUL wrote:

Well, if you really want to get nit-picky (which you clearly do by taking someone to task about the Ninth)...

Squid wrote:

Beethoven's 9th Symphony is a vocal.

Only the Finale has vocal music and the work is still considered a symphony. In fact, the vocals don't even begin until well into 45 minutes into the piece, making it consist more of instrumental music than vocal.

Our general understanding is that if a piece of music includes a substantial amount of singing of words that deliver a message it is a vocal. Beethoven's 9th isn't the only vocal symphony. Mahler wrote at least one.

The first surf style instrumental IMO is Mozart's Turkish Rondo.

How? In what ways? Please elaborate musically? Also, FYI, "Turkish Rondo" is an over simplification and improper nickname that teachers use to explain the third movement of the 11th piano Sonata to kids.

I chose the name to identify the piece of music, and that it did. Here the Baronics play Mozart's Turkish Rondo note for note (but adding drums) and this illustrates how it is a surf song. They do play it slowly (about 170 bpm rather than 230 bpm), but it is still fast enough to be challenging on the guitar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0zmfE4Cd8M

The first surf style vocal IMO is Offenbach's song "A Spaniard Knows (The Ways of Love)" from his 1868 opera "La Perichole". If you hear it sung in English you will hear how Offenbach invented vocal rock-n-roll.

Again, can you please elaborate? How does this have any correlation to "Surf style" vocals or Rock n' Roll?

It has rock-n-roll vocal riffs. They are somewhat similar to the Beach Boys.

Offenbach is most famous for writing "The Can-Can."

No and no. Offenbach is most famous for writing The Tales of Hoffman and the Can-Can refers to a kind of dance that others much later associated with a piece from Offenbach's Orpheus in the Underworld. The Can-Can was being danced approximately 28 years before the first performance of OITU even occurred.

These days the most recognizable piece written by Offenbach is the Can Can. This is why I wrote what I did.

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Squid wrote:

Our general understanding is that if a piece of music includes a substantial amount of singing of words that deliver a message it is a vocal. Beethoven's 9th isn't the only vocal symphony. Mahler wrote at least one.

It's Western Art Music though... it goes out of 'general understanding' when compared to surf music. I'm not going to argue in favor of calling the Ninth an instrument. I'm going to argue in favor of us not trying to become ethnomusicologists of classical music. I have a deep deep passion for classical music. I must say I know so little though, having not been rigorously trained nor studied in the music. I will gladly discuss any classical music, what I like about it, what I don't like. But to pretend that I can speak as an authority on the music, is ludicrous.

But I will make this point. The Ninth... It has a full choir, it has great lyrics, undeniably catchy. That choir is a statement, they aren't there to sing a song, as it were. They are there as an instrument of Beethoven. One of the reasons Beethoven is so great is his passion. He doesn't make the most appealing music, but it has character. It has life, it has passion, it exists.

Passion creates great music, not great tone, technique, or lyrics.

Squid wrote:

vintagesurfdude wrote:

Weird ain't it? Your question intrigued me, so I isolated that part of the track and reversed it. I tell you what, this guy was WAY ahead of his time for 1964 using heavy fuzz and some advance playing technique for the day. The spoken part of the track appears to me, to just be gibberish, HOWEVER, the part is in two sections, the 1st half is gibberish as it was recorded (forward if you will) the 2nd half is the same phrase but NOT the same take and tracked backwards, so no matter how you flip the whole phrase, the line always sounds the same. Amazing.

So what Travis recorded was a pallindrome. That's a brilliant and fun finding. I expect the first half is in Tennessee drawl. For a while I lived in hillbilly Eastern Tennessee and the locals had a unique drawl that was impossible for me to decipher in conversation. The first impression is that it is gibberish. The locals do understand each other and they can tone it down to make themselves understood by non-locals. I'm guessing that Travis stated what is scratchy, and if you slow it down you'll be able to identify his words.

Well I isolated the forward half and slowed it down, BSOOM (Beats The S@#$ Out Of Me) I'll see if I can link it. Maybe it'll make sense to one of you guys.

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