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Permalink SG101 to participate in SOPA / PIPA blackout on Wed., Jan 18

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Brian wrote:

Companies that support SOPA include Apple, Microsoft,
Fender, Gibson, & Harley Davidson. Google for
the full list. Sad

It is no surprise that these companies support the bill, despite the fact that they were probably completely ignorant of the deeply hidden powers the bill will give.

Honestly, the list you posted makes perfect sense in the context that this bill was originally designed to curb the HUGE issue of piracy in China and simialar countries. My good friend was moved to a job position for my company in China a few years ago. You would not believe the counterfeit products he brings back. He has brought back Ipods, Movies, Ipads, Fender Guitars etc...all were purchased for next to nothing. All were obviously fake...It is a very large industry over there. We all like to think that this bill was created because of the theft taking place here in America. It wasn't. Even at large numbers, when compared with the bootlegging INDUSTRY, in Asia, the theft here is petty at best.

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Thank you so much Brian for taking part in this protest, I'm with you 100%.

Now some folks on here might be wondering what an Englishman is getting worked up about over a despicable bill up for consideration in the USA. Well only last week a 23-year old local named Richard O'Dwyer lost his appeal in the High Court in London against extradition to the USA for posting links to movie downloads. The case against him for an offence that was committed in England was dropped by the British judiciary and if they had proceeded his sentence would have been a fine. Now, due to a treaty signed by ex prime Minister Tony Blair with the US government, he faces extradition to face charges in the US that could see him sent to jail for up to 10 years. For a crime that he committed in England because his website was not hosted on an American server!

Sounds like this bill is another plank in the interest of World domination and could end up creating all kinds of serious repercussions for folks anywhere innocently copying links to friends and suchlike.

Last edited: Jan 19, 2012 09:58:33

airesound wrote:

Sounds like this bill is another plank in the interest
of World domination and could end up creating all kinds
of serious repercussions for folks anywhere innocently
copying links to friends and suchlike.

double-plus un-good!

I love my country Thumbs Up But I fear my government Paranoid

This guy makes an interesting point, I think:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/19/sopa_is_gone_are_you_happy_now/

We need to find a way to work with Congress and the media companies instead of just reacting. With greater input from the tech community, better laws can be created to protect IP.

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A friend of mine just shared this on Facebook, seems a perfect bit of irony for this issue.

The awkward moment when you break the law you proposed

-Damon.

An online petition to stop SOPA.

http://dickmorris.rallycongress.com/5907/protect-internet-freedom-petition/

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

I don't usually follow politics at all,
but I think this is horrible, what they are trying to do.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention Brian.

Jeff(bigtikidude)

I graduated High School in 1970. Entered college just in time for massive anti-war protests and an almost complete transformation of the faculty and student body to open socialists from open conservatives. Most of the old-guard profs were gone or silenced by the time I graduated. There was open talk in classrooms, student lounges and study halls of blowing up buildings, whether returning soldiers should ever be allowed to go to college, and, of course, over-throwing the government. Student strikes were common.

To say I have been politically active is an understatement. My first real professional position after Graduate School was in D.C. for a trade association. I've never looked back.

However, it seems like decades since fierce political opponents could also be best friends. An argument, then, was a presentation of claims, supporting facts and counter claims and facts. Today, arguments are all about who uses the foulest invectives. We used to persuade with facts and logic; now we just try to chase our opponent from the field in fear of his life.

I only discuss politics with the few whom I know from experience can handle the subject without resorting to threatening me and my family. It is sadly very few.

I appreciate and understand completely the desire to avoid politics. I like it and know politics is necessary, but most people don't. It's messy and unatractive and often brings out the worst in us and ruins friendships. But the time may come soon when politics will not ignore us. Whether it's owning an antique instrument made from now banned woods, playing restricted music or holding an illegal belief, if it becomes a federal crime it will cost you all you have when you face federal felony charges, even if you prove you're innocent.

Just ask the kid from England in the article above.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Last edited: Jan 19, 2012 12:26:00

I kind of agree with Noel; I find that most are intellectually challenged to the point of NOT being able to debate most anything related to politics.

I recently angered an in-law to the point of a physical altercation because he couldn't debate a subject when presented with conflicting facts. I wasn't even really taking a side, just playing the devil's advocate more or less.

I kind of thought it was funny until he started yelling, spitting and turning red in the face. I tried to reason with him briefly before finally escorting him out the door and to his car. Mad

It's really sad how easily people are angered over politcal dogma. I find most just parrot talking points or what they heard on the radio that day and generally put little thought into much beyond that.

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Late to chime in. Sorry. Been "off-the-grid" for most of the last 10 days and buried / digging out on the jay-oh-bee since Wed a.m.

I did manage to hit surfguitar101.com very briefly yesterday (multi-tasking!) and just wanted to say Thank You, Brian. I've been watching this legislation from a distance for a while now, getting frustrated with where I saw it going, but until now, taking no action.

Thanks to your finely crafted black-out page, Brian, I wound up even further informed. AND you made it incredibly simple (nearly effortless!) for me to take action/contact my representatives.

THANK YOU BRIAN!

fady

Love them or hate them, this is an interesting response from The Pirate Bay. (This is in no way way an advocation on my part for copyright infringement, just a well-expressed opposing view.)

INTERNETS, 18th of January 2012.
PRESS RELEASE, FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.

Over a century ago Thomas Edison got the patent for a device which would "do for the eye what the phonograph does for
the ear". He called it the Kinetoscope. He was not only amongst the first to record video, he was also the first person
to own the copyright to a motion picture.

Because of Edisons patents for the motion pictures it was close to financially impossible to create motion pictures
in the North american east coast. The movie studios therefor relocated to California, and founded what we today call
Hollywood. The reason was mostly because there was no patent.
There was also no copyright to speak of, so the studios could copy old stories and make movies out of them - like
Fantasia, one of Disneys biggest hits ever.

So, the whole basis of this industry, that today is screaming about losing control over immaterial rights, is that they
circumvented immaterial rights. They copied (or put in their terminology: "stole") other peoples creative works,
without paying for it. They did it in order to make a huge profit. Today, they're all successful and most of the
studios are on the Fortune 500 list of the richest companies in the world. Congratulations - it's all based on being
able to re-use other peoples creative works. And today they hold the rights to what other people create.
If you want to get something released, you have to abide to their rules. The ones they created after circumventing
other peoples rules.

The reason they are always complainting about "pirates" today is simple. We've done what they did. We circumvented the
rules they created and created our own. We crushed their monopoly by giving people something more efficient. We allow
people to have direct communication between eachother, circumventing the profitable middle man, that in some cases take
over 107% of the profits (yes, you pay to work for them).
It's all based on the fact that we're competition.
We've proven that their existance in their current form is no longer needed. We're just better than they are.

And the funny part is that our rules are very similar to the founding ideas of the USA. We fight for freedom of speech.
We see all people as equal. We believe that the public, not the elite, should rule the nation. We believe that laws
should be created to serve the public, not the rich corporations.

The Pirate Bay is truly an international community. The team is spread all over the globe - but we've stayed out of the
USA. We have Swedish roots and a swedish friend said this:
The word SOPA means "trash" in Swedish. The word PIPA means "a pipe" in Swedish. This is of course not a coincidence.
They want to make the internet inte a one way pipe, with them at the top, shoving trash through the pipe down to the
rest of us obedient consumers.
The public opinion on this matter is clear. Ask anyone on the street and you'll learn that noone wants to be fed with
trash. Why the US government want the american people to be fed with trash is beyond our imagination but we hope that
you will stop them, before we all drown.

SOPA can't do anything to stop TPB. Worst case we'll change top level domain from our current .org to one of the
hundreds of other names that we already also use. In countries where TPB is blocked, China and Saudi Arabia springs to
mind, they block hundreds of our domain names. And did it work? Not really.
To fix the "problem of piracy" one should go to the source of the problem. The entertainment industry say they're
creating "culture" but what they really do is stuff like selling overpriced plushy dolls and making 11 year old girls
become anorexic. Either from working in the factories that creates the dolls for basically no salary or by watching
movies and tv shows that make them think that they're fat.

In the great Sid Meiers computer game Civilization you can build Wonders of the world. One of the most powerful ones
is Hollywood. With that you control all culture and media in the world. Rupert Murdoch was happy with MySpace and had
no problems with their own piracy until it failed. Now he's complainting that Google is the biggest source of piracy
in the world - because he's jealous. He wants to retain his mind control over people and clearly you'd get a more
honest view of things on Wikipedia and Google than on Fox News.

Some facts (years, dates) are probably wrong in this press release. The reason is that we can't access this information
when Wikipedia is blacked out. Because of pressure from our failing competitors. We're sorry for that.

THE PIRATE BAY, (K)2012

Mike
http://www.youtube.com/morphballio

"This beat is happening. Deal with it." --murph

The National Review's position:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/288509/scrub-sopa-editors

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Did another run through the thread and don't see these links yet. Apologies if I've just overlooked it.

I've always found it incredibly helpful to have reference to the source. In an attempt to surface the source, I offer the following:

Library of Congress Legislation Search exact match for "Stop Online Piracy" - the US House of Rep legislation:

1 . Stop Online Piracy Act (Introduced in House - IH)[H.R.3261.IH]
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c112:1:./temp/~c112u9Ps9G::

...and in PDF form:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr3261ih/pdf/BILLS-112hr3261ih.pdf

Library of Congress Legislation Search exact match for "Protect IP Act" - the US Senate legislation:

1 . PROTECT IP Act of 2011 (Introduced in Senate - IS)[[S.968.IS]
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c112:1:./temp/~c112jRSDKm::

...and in PDF form
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s968is/pdf/BILLS-112s968is.pdf

2 . PROTECT IP Act of 2011 (Reported in Senate - RS)[[S.968.RS]
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c112:2:./temp/~c112jRSDKm::

...and in PDF form
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s968rs/pdf/BILLS-112s968rs.pdf

Search for Legislation through the Library of Congress for this or any topic:
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/bills_res.html

fady

Last edited: Jan 19, 2012 14:57:05

Ugh. Those links to live doc's apparently time out after 30 minutes. Guess that answers why the "temp" in the URL.

PDF versions seem to still work, but of course are static.

As this discussion continues in the US Congress, I'd encourage you all to go to the search site I ended with above and search the same strings (Stop Online Piracy and Protect IP Act) to get the latest, active versions of the legislation.

... no substitute for the written words of our elected officials and their staffers putting "pen to paper".

fady

I could get five years in Sing Sing for uploading Michael Jackson songs yet the doctor who killed him only got four years Confused

And so it begins.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jan/19/us-government-megaupload-piracy-indictment

http://gizmodo.com/5877679/anonymous-kills-department-of-justice-site-in-megaupload-revenge-strike

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

http://rt.com/usa/news/crippled-fbi-megaupload-anonymous-239/

The Deadbeats

Abe wrote:

http://rt.com/usa/news/crippled-fbi-megaupload-anonymous-239/

Holy Shnikees
Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

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aka Mycroft Eloi of The TomorrowMen
aka Shecky Shekels of Meshugga Beach Party
aka Zync Oxyde of Frankie and the Poolboys

lol . . ."hacktivists"

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