djangodeadman wrote:
That's because of the Hungarian Minor and Byzantine
scales.
Ahhhhh. The secret is in the scale used.
Rev
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djangodeadman wrote:
Ahhhhh. The secret is in the scale used. Rev —Canadian Surf http://www.urbansurfkings.com/ Last edited: Apr 25, 2011 15:56:19 |
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revhank wrote:
It's the mastery of the Byzantine scale that enables you to learn to cover an entire Ventures side in one hour. — This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. |
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Noel wrote:
Actually it was closer to 45 minutes... and most of it was the minor pentatonic scale! Those Venture lads could sure do a lot with that scale. Rev —Canadian Surf http://www.urbansurfkings.com/ Last edited: Apr 25, 2011 15:55:59 |
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Martin's mixing pentatonic (blues), mixolydian & chromatic scales on that one. I doubt he was thinking, "now I'll play a flat 3rd to major 3rd, and follow it with a chromatic run..." He's playing what sounds good. Nice solo. Rev —Canadian Surf |
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I dig the Star Trek uniform! Weird to see it in short sleeves. Not a fan of the song though... Just didn't need to exist. The first couple bars were pretty cool, and then that riff... Great guitar playing, but I'll take any other Atlantics song. Everyone, check out the Bombora from the same session, very great. |
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revhank wrote:
Well, I was joking about using the Byzantine scale. But, I have this cap by The Dry Branch Fire Squad; "Genuine Thought Repellent Cap." The idea behind it is that to play those blistering banjo or mandolin solos really fast without getting behind, lost or stuck, you can't think about it. The music just has to flow out; sort of like how if you try to think out how to ride a bicycle (or surfboard) while doing it you'll fall becuase you're soon far behind what's happening under you. My guitar teacher tells me I think too much about what to play next because I don't know enought yet to just play it (it's why I have to memmorize each and every tune's solo note for note), so I have to learn a lot more. We'll be working next on the minor pentatonic scale and memorizing the stock riffs that use it. I know it'll be boring and familiar to experienced players but it will be a step forward for me. —This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. |
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revhank wrote:
Thanks, Rev, but, but... all my solos are composed! You rock it up real good, too, definitely channeling the spirit of Link and Nokie as well as anybody out there right now! Ivan |
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Noel, you've got the right idea, you've got to go through all those steps to get to the mountaintop. Just keep practicing and always remember that you're not playing exercises, you're playing music! But exercises sure help to get you to the point where you can play the music you hear in your heard and feel in your heart. Number9, Martin is indeed an excellent guitarist, and that is a great solo. I think it's more of a country/rockabilly style solo, though it definitely works in the surf context, too. I must say I never much cared for that song, as it just kinda seems to be designed to be a showcase for Martin's soloing, but I guess when you can solo that well, why not? Ivan |
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Thanks to everyone for the encouragement. I do need it. Martin sure can play guitar. Part of that solo sounds a LOT like some stuff James Burton did when he played for Elvis and Roy Orbison in the old days. Is it surf? Is it surfier than this? I am facinated by how close this comes; imagine if this had been played through a Fender Reverb Tank and Showman amp? If I had them or anything like them, I'd play this through them and make a recording of it. Hint! —This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. |
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I consider Martin's solo very far from surf. In fact, it may be the opposite of surf music. It's a little bit country and a little bit rock 'n roll. |
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IvanP wrote:
Composed or improvised, they are mighty fine! It's the end result that matters. Rev —Canadian Surf |
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Has anyone thought of writing/arranging surf instros to feature each instrument, the way jazz ensembles do? The way the Ventures did in live shows? The features don't have to be improvs, but they could be. It should be possible to do this and completely preserve the surf sound without drifting into blues/jazz/oldies/country/rockabilly phrasing. The more I've thought about the original question and read this discussion, the more I think it may be worth experimenting with this. I've never played surf with anyone else (I've got to solve that problem somehow), but when you guys get together to rehearse, do you ever just jam around for fun and take turns playing surfy themes, the way musicians in other genres do? When I stare at ocean surf, I see something that is never exactly the same two seconds in a row, no two waves, no two sounds. It is new and different every momment. Maybe a performance can capture that within a tune and not just between them. Now, as I am new learning guitar and surf music at the same time, I admit I may have the chutzpah of ignorance combined with just enough understanding to be stupid. Still, now that it was brought up, I keep imagining what a completely surf jam session would sound like, and I want to hear it. I'm just not good enough to play it. —This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. |
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Noel wrote:
See what I get for not looking at a topic about something I can't go to this year? I missed this: Here's a link to one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAZkNfUPKEs&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGt1VT_EixM&feature=related http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/The-Instro-Summit/106578046087152 I'll try to pay attention to everything from now on. lol And then I found this: and this: and this: This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. Last edited: Apr 28, 2011 08:05:19 |
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Thinking more about this, there have so many great soloists in surf music. One of my favorite surf solos ever is by Dick Dale, on Night Rider - check it out at the 1:12 mark: http://youtu.be/Ldda-TrV1Z8 Another great soloist was Rich Fifield of the Astronauts. Check out Quasimoto, around 1:10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KYqKmkeES0 One final example: the Trashmen. Full of great solos, my favorite probably being Malaguena: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipinrujp5sk Many excellent soloists in the '60s surf music - even more in the past 20-30 years! Long live the solo in surf music! —Ivan |
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Number9 wrote:
So why'd you post a three minute song that's just framework for a two minute guitar solo? IvanP wrote:
Let's keep the list going: Randy Holden (Fender IV) - "Highway Surfer" Michael Lloyd of the New Dimensions had some fiery leads but I'm blanking on which songs they were from. —That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it. Last edited: Apr 28, 2011 18:04:51 |
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