I have two Travelling Wilbury's albums and George's guitar is etherial.
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Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up. |
I have two Travelling Wilbury's albums and George's guitar is etherial. —This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. |
Joined: Sep 04, 2009 Posts: 1800 Temecula, CA |
Noel wrote:
He was in a band before The Wilbury's called the Beatles. You should check 'em out. |
Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up. |
elreydlp wrote:
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ROFL! Best line of the day. Period. —This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. |
Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up. |
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Joined: Apr 03, 2010 Posts: 3201 Jacksonville, AL |
I have always had a love/hate relationship with solos. Growing up in the 80's, my impression of solos were the typical 80's wanking up and down a scale with little heart and even less of a genuine musical purpose within the structure of the song. They were always more of a showcase for the individual and coming from a concert/jazz/marching band background, this was just never my approach to music. Over the years my opinion has changed a bit but I am still not the biggest fan of completely improvised solos. I prefer them to have some sort of a set structure that really fits the piece and is placed in order to add dynamic effect. I have never been great at soloing anyway. Frankly, I just never spent enough time during my formative years of learning guitar concentrating on my scales. I have improved over the years but am still quite behind, taking into account how long I have been playing. We have recently added a re-arrangement of Haulin Hearse by The Ghastly Ones to our set and the original song contains one of my favorite solos of all time. I have tried my best to grab the general feel of the solo, while adjusting it to my own abilities. Anyway, I suppose the gist of this post is to say that I am a much bigger fan of bands writing music as a 'piece', much like classical music, and creating solos when they are needed among the overall structure and feel of said piece, not as a means to display one individual member's abilities. —THE KBK ... This is the last known signal. We offer Sanctuary. www.thekbk.com |
Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up. |
Remember the dance in Back to the Future? The scene where Michael Fox's character plays Johnny B, Goode? He solos like his guitar hero (Eddie Van Halen?) and gets so carried away and lost he grinds to a complete halt, unable to get back to the song, having completely forgotten he was playing it. That's my nightmare; starting something I can't finish. It's why I carefully learn every tune and strive to perfect my performance of them. It's also why I have trouble playing different arrangements. I have a LONG WAY to go. Some musicians seem to have so many musical phrases in their heads that they they have no trouble stringing them together to fit whatever they're playing. Others play the same few phrases in everything they do. I can't do even this yet, so I won't criticize anyone who can. I have to memorize all the guitar parts to even stand a chance of getting through a tune. The original question was whether or not surf music needs or should have solo sections in their arrangements. Isn't that the same type of question as whether surf music can have lyrics? Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. All this is IMO. I'm just getting started and don't know a lot. I wonder what the icons of surf would say? Maybe, just play it and hear what happens? —This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. Last edited: Apr 23, 2011 09:56:12 |
Joined: Feb 15, 2011 Posts: 38 Tennessee |
Noel wrote:
If you're going to be concentrating strictly on surf, I wouldn't sweat the solo much. Most surf tunes get along fine without them. I haven't been playing surf for very long, and when I started I just concentrated on the rhythms and melodic riffs...those are hard enough if you're not used to the genre. Most of the guys on here have more experience than me and could probably play circles around me...but this is my advice based on what's worked for me so far. I found Pipeline and Surf Rider to be fairly easy to learn, also Out of Limits. Keep plugging at it..it's never too late to start. I'm 47 and have only been playing surf for six months or so. My background is mostly blues, thus my preference for improvised soloing over composed. No disrespect to the late Mr. Harrison, but give me Albert King any day. |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3545 mojave desert, california |
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Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up. |
dp wrote:
You type like I play. lol —This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3742 North Atlantic |
IvanP wrote:
Blasphemy Cool to hear that Hank Marvin improvised his solos. Rev-atonic PS: Link Wray! —Canadian Surf |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle |
The rule should be to not suck and don't try to sound a way that you would think makes you sound technically sound. Take a solo that means something more than that and it will show. |
Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11010 Berkeley, CA |
JakeDobner wrote:
Huh? —Danny Snyder Latest project - Now That's What I Call SURF I'm back playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle |
DannySnyder wrote:
To summarize, solos are too often just wanking. Think more about how it compliments the feeling/mood of the song. |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3545 mojave desert, california |
in plain words : don't wank on stage 'cause wanking sucks. |
Joined: Jan 25, 2007 Posts: 1564 Brighton UK |
Noel wrote:
Segovia, of course, said that the elctric guitar was an abomination and that, although Django Reinhardt was pretty clever, managing with so few fingers and all, that wasn't guitar playing. Talented as the old guy undoubtedly was, I've never had much time for him since hearing those comments. I mean, being a master of the classical guitar is very clever and everthing, but it's got nothing to do with surf music —Last edited: Apr 24, 2011 06:11:26 |
Joined: Jun 21, 2007 Posts: 3909 San Diego, CA |
Cool, more "rules" to follow Ryan Last edited: Apr 24, 2011 11:30:55 |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3742 North Atlantic |
Rules in music are like scales. They may be a good starting point, but they inevitably restrict what can be done creatively. I suspect many of you who have been soloing/improvising a while don't stick to a scale. Any note can be correct, if you know how to use it! Rev —Canadian Surf |
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 10321 southern Michigan |
revhank wrote:
I know! That's why I mostly use the Hungarian Minor and the Byzantine scales...
I think all of us would agree that Link was awesome! But what he did defies description or emulation. It was pure emotion, and nobody could he do it like he could. Another masterful, MASTERFUL soloist in/on-the-outskirts-of surf music is Nokie Edwards. The stuff that guy did was just incredible, and it sure sounds like most of it was improvised. His chops were simply monstrous. And so many Ventures songs would just be nothing without Nokie's solos. Ivan |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3742 North Atlantic |
Nokie is indeed fine. I really like what Eddie Angel does. It reminds me a lot of Link's playing. And there's this Ivan guy who's pretty good. Rev —Canadian Surf |
Joined: Jan 25, 2007 Posts: 1564 Brighton UK |
revhank wrote:
That's because of the Hungarian Minor and Byzantine scales. — |